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That is done to ensure that freedom of conscience is not compromised by people taking advantage of illiteracy.
It sounds more like vested interests attempting to make conversions more difficult for their own selfish reasons. The one month advance notice to the state is likely just so the Hindu clergy can target those individuals and pressure them for a whole month not to convert. Clearly this is state sponsorship, or at least favoritism, of one religion.
o rly? so the 100,000 killed [sic] and the crucifixion and murder at sight [sic] of brahmins, weren't the main bits, the sensational bits, the attention grabbing bits...?
I still haven't found anything which disproves the crucifixion bit.
Originally posted by C0ckney
so really what you are left with is that some brahmins had property taken, or were banished, a few might even have been killed and the rest had to live under some harsh rules. WOW.
They were killed if they practised their religion, if they had a tulsi plant, if they celebrated a festival, if they had an idol in the house, if they.....
And not just brahmins, but these restrictions applied to all people there.
Pile of ****? Please read the bits which I posted later in support of my position, will you? I got the figure from a random site from the internet, but that's the only questionable thing in the OP. The rest is substantial, and I have substantiated it. Refer to post #22. It gives sources.
OK, let's see what we have:
Wiki (for the "lesser" allegations), a piece of political journalism (for the king's manifesto, whose authenticity I'd like to question because of a phrase that doesn't seem to fit, but I'd have to chek that) and a page from a site called "christianaggression.org". Wow!
"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
It sounds more like vested interests attempting to make conversions more difficult for their own selfish reasons. The one month advance notice to the state is likely just so the Hindu clergy can target those individuals and pressure them for a whole month not to convert. Clearly this is state sponsorship, or at least favoritism, of one religion.
The records of who have registered are not made public. So there is no question of them being targeted by the Hindu clerty. And it's not just conversion from Hinduism which requires registration - it is conversion between families of religions. A Catholic converting to Protestantism will not have to register, a Hindu converting to Buddhism will not have a register, a Sunni converting to Shia Islam will not have to register. But a Muslim to Christian, or Hindu to Muslim, or Christian to Hindu conversion will have to be notified a month before.
The numbers were not the main thrust. The fact that Brahmins were killed and thrown out, and that people could be killed simply for having an idol or tulsi plant in the house is the thrust of my argument. It's persecution, plain and simple, and it's the worst Inquisition in the world. Check the Wiki if you like. This sort of thing didn't happen even in Spain.
Sure the numbers were the main thrust. It's the first thing mentioned, and it was not only "way out" of proportion but galaxies away.
And it was exactly the same in Spain and its colonies, probably quite a bit worse considering the traditional hatred of Christians against Muslims and Jews.
"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
I have reread the OP and I see that it claims 30k were killed in Goa when I thought it said the population of Goa was 30k. I was trying to compare pop of 30k to pop of 12 million not kill rates.
Is what confused me. You had confused the death toll with population, which then caused me to mistake population for death toll.
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As usual, aneeshm has bought a load of propoganda hook, line and sinker.
I've got no particular love for any denomination of Christianity, and certainly no interest in defending the inquisition. But my bull**** detector is screaming.
The reason people can't take your arguments seriously, aneeshm, is that you're guilty of exactly that of which you accuse others; you label any criticism of far-right Hindu ideology as, variously, minority pandering or appeasement, or missionary propaganda, while simultaneously subscribing to the belief that vicious, hate-mongering groups like the Bajrang Dal and VHP are nothing but noble social workers.
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As usual, aneeshm has bought a load of propoganda hook, line and sinker.
I've got no particular love for any denomination of Christianity, and certainly no interest in defending the inquisition. But my bull**** detector is screaming.
-Arrian
*sigh*
I came across this when I was reading about a book by a Portuguese author, for the love of god! I'll link to it, just for you.
You were born in New York and went on to study comparative religion. Why the decision to write about the Portuguese inquisition in Goa -- a whole other world?
About 15 years ago, while doing research for my first novel, The Last Kabbalist of Lisbon, I discovered that the Portuguese exported the Inquisition to Goa in the sixteenth century, and that many Indian Hindus were tortured and burnt at the stake for continuing to practice their religion. Muslim Indians were generally murdered right away or made to flee Goan territory.
I couldn't use that information for my novel but decided, a few years later, to do more research into that time of fundamentalist religious persecution. I discovered that historians consider the Goa Inquisition the most merciless and cruel ever developed. It was a machinery of death. A large number of Hindus were first converted and then persecuted from 1560 all the way to 1812!
Over that period of 252 years, any man, woman, or child living in Goa could be arrested and tortured for simply whispering a prayer or keeping a small idol at home. Many Hindus -- and some former Jews, as well -- languished in special Inquisitional prisons, some for four, five, or six years at a time.
I was horrified to learn about this, of course. And I was shocked that my friends in Portugal knew nothing about it. The Portuguese tend to think of Goa as the glorious capital of the spice trade, and they believe -- erroneously -- that people of different ethnic backgrounds lived there in tolerance and tranquillity. They know nothing about the terror that the Portuguese brought to India. They know nothing of how their fundamentalist religious leaders made so many suffer.
I used to find Aneeshms rants amusing .. then dull and now just plain crap ...
Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.
The reason people can't take your arguments seriously, aneeshm, is that you're guilty of exactly that of which you accuse others; you label any criticism of far-right Hindu ideology as, variously, minority pandering or appeasement, or missionary propaganda,
Where have I done that? I make it a point never to fall into the fallacy of simply labelling and dismissing my opponents. Note that whenever I controverted some point, I give my reasons for doing so, and whenever I question a source, I try to give the reasoning behind questioning it.
Originally posted by LordShiva
while simultaneously subscribing to the belief that vicious, hate-mongering groups like the Bajrang Dal and VHP are nothing but noble social workers.
Bajrang Dal - I agree with you absolutely on this one. They're the radical and fundie arm, and they're responsible for lots of trouble everywhere. The only case where a criminal was found to belong to a Hindu organisation was a Bajrang Dal person. The sooner the RSS can disassociate themselves with these people the better.
VHP - not so much. They do have a radical fringe, but the organisation as a whole is mostly sensible. Could you give an example of what they have actually done which promotes the idea that they are fanatics?
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