The God Delusion

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
You have to have faith. Without faith, you've lost.

I've been lost before, literally. Before I realized that I was lost I had faith that I was not lost, but in fact I had been lost for some time. I just had trouble realizing that I was, in fact, lost, because I knew that it's not a comfortable feeling to know that you are lost.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
There are some who don't consider Biology as a science (I am no longer such a one).

There are even some who don't consider anything outside of the fields of particle physics and GR to be truly studying the laws of the natural world.

JM

You might like to Read Ernst Mayr's book This is Biology, where he refutes the arguments that Biology is not a "Hard" science made by people who take reductionism to an absurd degree.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I've been lost before, literally. Before I realized that I was lost I had faith that I was not lost, but in fact I had been lost for some time. I just had trouble realizing that I was, in fact, lost, because I knew that it's not a comfortable feeling to know that you are lost.

Donald Rumsfeld would be proud

[Lorizael]

Is it not in the nature of a human being to sin? Yet do you not strive to live without sin as Jesus did?

(Edit: This is in response to Sloww.)

[Jon Miller]

I am pretty sure that you test yourself in the wrong way.. (speaking as a Christian, and in the mindset that you are truly interested in finding God (if He exists)).

Also, some people don't do as much naval gazing as young 20 somethings, and gain a lot more life experience on which to base their positions on .

All joking aside, I don't think that life experience is the endall/beall, I know plenty of old people who do stupid thing/etc. I do, however, assume that they have experience.. that they have experienced new and different things that I have not.. and that while I might be wiser than they, they still have insights I have not had the opportunity to have yet.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Lorizael
Is it not in the nature of a human being to sin? Yet do you not strive to live without sin as Jesus did?

I don't think you get Christianity.

JM

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison


Donald Rumsfeld would be proud

perfect

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Odin


You might like to Read Ernst Mayr's book This is Biology, where he refutes the arguments that Biology is not a "Hard" science made by people who take reductionism to an absurd degree.

As I said, I consider Biology hard, right now. It is fact, however, that it is based on Chemistry, which is in turn based on Physics.

JM

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I am pretty sure that you test yourself in the wrong way.. (speaking as a Christian, and in the mindset that you are truly interested in finding God (if He exists)).

Well, I'm not Christian, so this is quite possibly true. But because I'm curious, how is a Christian suppose to test oneself?

[Elok]

TBH, I took the opposite approach. I once sat down and made myself intellectually embrace the idea "what if there is no God?" It took a while before I was sure I was really contemplating the idea and not just blowing it off. When I finally did, I realized the answer: "So what if there isn't?" If there is no God, the question of whether there is or isn't becomes completely irrelevant (leaving my thoughts about the foundations of morality, which came to me later, out of the picture). There's no point in knowing the material if there's not going to be a test on it, so to speak. I suppose this might be a weird variant on Pascal's Wager.

I laughed it off at the time, but honestly, why are we obligated to know truth? Obligated by/to who, or what? If our knowledge of the truth does not affect our lives, how is even the most ultimate understanding different from the most idiotic movie trivia?

[Jon Miller]

I know that many people test God, and come away empty handed. They then get frustrated, and leave. That is what you seem to have done.

The true test of Christianity is whether it can change the heart.

Jon Miller

[Spec]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I know that many people test God....

Jon Miller

How can you test something that doesn't exist?!

Please, do tell.

I can try to test a big pink elephant with yellow dots and a cute little hat...but it might take sometime....

Spec.

[Jon Miller]

test (the idea of) God

JM

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
The true test of Christianity is whether it can change the heart.

So if a religion changes your heart it is true?

[Spec]

And how do you test and idea which is not a fact? Like an invention per say, it's an idea, but touchable, seeable and so on....

Spec.