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Originally posted by Whaleboy
You're right about confusing the two; it is important to define a remit for both naturalism and supernaturalism.
I think you're in danger of leading an uneducated layman such as myself into thinking that you're suggesting a God in the Gaps argument; if the science of the day is insufficient to explain a phenomenon, and some people even give up and say "f*ck it, science won't work here", then religion should take over.
I don't honestly think that's what you'd say, so our difference would lie in the person who has said "f*ck it".
I would say that when you're saying "does something exist", you're asking an inherently empirical question, devoid of anything for the supernatural. I'd think you'd probably agree, since your argument seems to be one of a personal relationship with Jesus (correct me if I'm wrong here), which is heading into territory that I cannot follow into.
You're right about confusing the two; it is important to define a remit for both naturalism and supernaturalism.
I think you're in danger of leading an uneducated layman such as myself into thinking that you're suggesting a God in the Gaps argument; if the science of the day is insufficient to explain a phenomenon, and some people even give up and say "f*ck it, science won't work here", then religion should take over.
I don't honestly think that's what you'd say, so our difference would lie in the person who has said "f*ck it".
I would say that when you're saying "does something exist", you're asking an inherently empirical question, devoid of anything for the supernatural. I'd think you'd probably agree, since your argument seems to be one of a personal relationship with Jesus (correct me if I'm wrong here), which is heading into territory that I cannot follow into.
It isn't really today.
Reasons today are as you said, personal relationship with Jesus Christ.. or use morality as Elok has.
I would like to note that even in the OT, it was all about relationship. The Jews worshiped the God that brought them out of egypt, the God of Abraham and Isaac. God that the abrahamic religions worship (well, I don't know much about Islam) has always been focused on your relationship with him. Not as an explanation for lightning or animals...
Jon Miller
I advise you do NOTHING. What is the point? I think people reach a certain point in their life when they figure they can make sense out of their reality. To confont such a person with an alternate reality would probably be quite emotionally harmful. I am reminded of the matrix...do you take the blue pill or the red pill? Similar to the matrix, some people are so far gone that they refuse to acknowledge the truth. So be it. Instead, comfort yourself with the knowledge that YOU know the truth. Since you are young and just starting out your adult life, you can work to change the world slowly, perhaps over time enlightening others along the way indirectly through positively helping the world.
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