The Confederate Flag and NASCAR

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by SlowwHand

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Wales and Scotland have their own football teams.

And the South has its own football conference.

But the South isn't represented in the World Cup. There are local leagues everywhere.

[Drake Tungsten]

There isn't a World Cup for football. The SEC is represented in the Bowl Championship Series.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

More seriously, Wales and Scotland are still political entities.

So are the states that make up the South. If we can't have the Stars and Bars, can we at least have the state flags that it's a part of?

But lots of countries have state and provincial legislatures.

Britain is primarily a union of the two countries of England and Scotland, and Scotland has long had its own legal system.

So does Louisiana.

OK, we can have the Louisiana flag then.

I don't care about the Scots. It's the Welsh you guys are ****ing over (they don't even get a nod on the Union Jack? You bastards... )

Yeah, too bad for them they don't get a slice of the flag. It's for purely aesthetic reasons, of course. The dragon just don't fit.

[Drake Tungsten]

The dragon is ****ing awesome. Your flag would look better if you just slapped on the dragon and got rid of everything else.

[Cort Haus]

I'm sure The Mobe would approve.

[Cort Haus]

Why don't you write to The Queen asking to be let into the Commonwealth? Then you'd be able to participate in the Commonwealth Games, and have a FLAG!

[Drake Tungsten]

I don't want to be part of the Commonwealth. I just want the blatant unfairness to end.

[Cort Haus]

Tell you what - call an election. Post a poll, and see what people think.

[Patroklos]

Do the southern states have their own banknotes?

Interesting that you mention that, since most European nations no longer have their own bank notes, just a nod on random bills.

Keep the EU flag, get rid of all the other European ones.

[Drake Tungsten]

Keep the EU flag, get rid of all the other European ones.

That's fair.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll


They can take our lives, but they cant take..OUR FREEDOM!!!

Aye! An' to paraphrase Colin Farrell in Alexander. "They may take our lives, but they can't have our boyfriends!"

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Indeed. We have the Welsh and Scottish flags on Poly for exactly that purpose; why not a Confederate flag too?

Because the Confederacy was founded on the principle that enslavement of blacks was a moral good. Makes the Confederate flag much more morally repugnant IMO than say a Welsh or Scottish flag.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Indeed. We have the Welsh and Scottish flags on Poly for exactly that purpose; why not a Confederate flag too?

The Confederacy isn't a recognized nation. Scotland and Wales are. The comparable question would be, why can't we fly flags from Texas or Florida, as opposed to the disgraced flag of a white supremacy movement.

[Nubclear]

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But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other —though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution—African slavery as it exists amongst us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind—from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just—but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.