The Confederate Flag and NASCAR

[SlowwHand]

Kid Rock offended me a lot more than looking at Janet's breast.

[Caligastia]

If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them.

My paramount objective is to save the Union and not either to save or destroy slavery.

If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it. If I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it. And if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. (Letter from Abraham Lincoln to Horace Greeley, August 22, 1862, published in the New York Tribune)

A Confederate soldier who was captured early in the war expressed the South’s reason for fighting in simple yet eloquent terms. He wore a ragged homemade uniform, and like most other Southerners he didn’t own any slaves. When Union soldiers asked him why he was fighting for the Confederacy, he replied, “I’m fighting because you’re down here” (McPherson, The Battle Cry of Freedom, p. 311)

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Dis
flags are stupid.

Throw rocks at them!

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Elok
Er, if it's a sign of Confederate heritage, what are people expressing when they fly it? Their fondness for ironclad warships and wheeled Gatling guns?

Southern forces never used the Gatling gun. Mr. Gatling was a Yankee, and during the war sold his invention exclusively to the US Army.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Caligastia


A Confederate soldier who was captured early in the war expressed the South’s reason for fighting in simple yet eloquent terms. He wore a ragged homemade uniform, and like most other Southerners he didn’t own any slaves. When Union soldiers asked him why he was fighting for the Confederacy, he replied, “I’m fighting because you’re down here” (McPherson, The Battle Cry of Freedom, p. 311)

There is an excellent website on the causes of the Civil War which includes the speeches made by secession proponents in the state legislatures of the South when thos legislatures debated the issue prior to voting to secede. You'll see that the most frequent arguement involved the protecttion of the "right" to own slaves. Enough said. Read it yourself.

http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/causes.html

There are also some statistics on slavery, including the number of families owning slaves.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Southern forces never used the Gatling gun. Mr. Gatling was a Yankee, and during the war sold his invention exclusively to the US Army.

Huh. Ya learn something every day. TBH I was really reaching for something, anything, that readers would associate with the Civil War era in particular. I don't know what types of rifle they used or anything...

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I think it helps, and I think I've had enough of you.
Congrats. On my Ignore list. The only one. Not even Mobius is on my Ignore.

I think this might be the first instance of someone being on another user's ignore list while having his HoF vote

[SlowwHand]

Springfields were the big introduction.

[Drake Tungsten]

Why does Poly allow us to fly an EU flag, but not a Confederate flag? Why is one regional identity considered more valid than the other?

[Nubclear]

Because some regional identities are less evil than others

[SlowwHand]

Ok, I'll ask near the same question, but ask about U.N. flag instead.

[Nubclear]

Because the flag of the UN represents humanity as a whole, rather than some small (racist) portion of it

[SlowwHand]

Yeah.

[Grandpa Troll]

Please folks, no rebel flags, dun wanna stir anything up

[Drake Tungsten]

Because some regional identities are less evil than others

You wouldn't be able to fly the Russian flag if evilness had anything to do with it.