Wow, 12 year old kills playmate and gets 26 years.

[Arrian]

To be fair, MtG used it sarcastically. Lorizael picked it up after that, in that context.

I don't think either of them actually think of the victim that way. Because it's clearly a repugnant & uncaring way to refer to him.

-Arrian

[Mrs. Tuberski]

It is highly unlikely this kid will spend 26 years in prison. with good behavior the kid will be out in less then 10. even at that age he now has a chance to realize what he has done and attempt to get an education in priosn it does happen you guys know that. Juveniles are expected to attend class in the juvenile school. after juvy the then adult person will proceed onto adult jail. unless paroled at the age of 18. like most cases the kids become elegible for parole at the age of 18 to deem it necesarry for them to be kept incarcerated. This kid indeed seems very troubled but that doesnt give him an excuse or right to take the life of another child. I find it entertaiing to think tht some of you believe this child will recieve approprite therapy in a state tan mental institue. I have been in such a facility and Most of the staff dont give a **** why thes folks are there they are set out to make sure they do not become violent until they are relased out of their custody.
The kid has as much a chance to rehabilitate in prison as he does a prison mental facility.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

And if i recall correctly the UK tried a kid 6 year old as an adult for the killing of a infant. So its not just the us doing this with kids

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Personally the term "little '****" strikes me as both uncaring and repugnant.

Of course it is. It seemed to fit the mindsent of whining about the poor little killer and how rough life is going to be, without considering the killer's choices or the victim's lack of choice.

These two asswipes never played with this kid or were his friends. They apparently just picked him as a suitable target, and exploited the fact that basically nobody went over to the kid's house to ask him to play, so they figured he'd jump at the chance and could proverbially be lead into the woods.

Another article I read on the case stated that the autopsy concluded that there were 34 stab wounds in the neck and face, and also 8 more in the torso, and he'd been beaten with a branch from a tree some 15-16 more blows to the head.

Yet, somehow, magically, the handwringers shift their focus to the poow widdle muwdewew, he didn't weally mean it, and the way the victim was selected for murder and the manner of his murder at the hands of those two little asswipes gets swept under the rug.

[Ecthy]

I'm sure China does it too, and Burma, that doesn't make it any better though.

[SlowwHand]

Any other country doesn't count. Only USA, and Bush is to blame.

Where you been? Don't you keep up?

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Any other country doesn't count. Only USA, and Bush is to blame.

Where you been? Don't you keep up?

Sorry my bad Who is BUSH again
Nobaody said it was wrong either. What do u propose you do with these kids. I have already said they dont get any different treatment. They are tried as adults do u think they put them in general population with adults? No they dont they go to juvenile jail there they are expected to attend classes like regulr school. a mental hospital is not the answer for violent offenders. like i said it is highly unlikely this kidd well even see 10 years of prison. It is up to him to change his behavior. Noone can do it for him. He deserves what he got and his family should face up to his actions and help him try to relaize what he has done.

[Ben Kenobi]

This is awful, 32 times stabbed?

That's absolutely insane.

You can't release the kid to general society, not with 32 stab wounds on another kid and at the same time you still do have the responsibility to try to do something with the kid since he'll only be 38 when he gets out. Plenty of time for life afterwards.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Ecthy
I'm sure China does it too, and Burma, that doesn't make it any better though.

What would you have us do with him? We're gonna lock him up for 26 years. Apparently that's bad. Ok, what would you do?

This is a very extreme case. Generally speaking I'm ok with the idea that a kid should be treated differently by the legal system than an adult. But you still have to look at each case individually. There are exceptions to rules.

-Arrian

[Ecthy]

Lock him up for 26 years.. and spank his ass!

[Arrian]

Dirty Germans. We know how you are. I've seen Super Troopers!

-Arrian

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Well then, since the little '**** doesn't matter, why get bent out of shape by a little thing like murdering someone who doesn't matter? Why "punish" the poor little misunderstood boy at all, and let him have another chance to be "productive?"

Yes, because what I obviously meant was that murder is okay, and even good, when you're just murdering a stupid '****. My point was that while it sucks that someone has been killed, and while we don't want people to be killed at all, there's nothing that we can do about that now.

The reality of the situation is that someone has already lost their life and that cannot be undone. So then the question is, what can we do to make it better?

There are two bad things here. One is a dead person, and one is an evil, crazy murderer. What I would like to do most is to make the dead person not dead anymore, but we can't do that yet. So we have to deal with the evil, crazy murderer.

People with schizophrenia, people with depression, people with all sorts of crazy disorders, have been cured. But the government doesn't want to spend money on figuring out how to cure murderers, because they're murderers, so why should we treat them! The only reason we can't cure things like sociopathy is because we haven't researched it enough yet. Getting rid of perpetual criminals seems like a worthy investment to me. What do you think?

You can't guarantee anything. Chuck Manson might be a real standup guy and a great BBQ host nowadays. Would you want him as your neighbor, though?

*snicker*

"What sort of life he lived" may explain some background for his personality disorder, but it neither excuses it, nor does it provide much basis for treatment. This isn't a new case, and the behaviors demonstrated (meaningless "thrill" killing), failure to stop during the repeated stabbings despite any indication of rage or lack of control, lack of remorse, lack of empathy, sticking to a patently ridiculous story totally contradicted by forensic evidence, all point to sociopathy. That's not "my opinion," that's DSM-IV and mainstream psychology.

I know what the DSM-IV is. Please, if you're not a psychologist, don't try to diagnose people. Technically, I fit the criteria for schizophrenia, bipolar, and a host of other mental illnesses according to that checklist, but that's not all that those in the mental health profession use to diagnose people. You're not actually an expert on everything, MtG.

The murder victim here "lost" any chance of leading a productive life. The little **** in question through it away voluntarily. **** him.

Vengeance is not justice. Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Bla bla bla. Come on.

[Whaleboy]

When you kill another person with premeditation, you forfeit the right to your own life.

Why?

[Ecthy]

Whaleboy, it seems undeniable and compelling logic for some.

Even liberal thinkers from past centuries agree with it, but it definitely isn't a fix truism. It does make many things easier for some.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

lor lots of folks fit the symptoms of all types of mental illnesses. The thing about mental illness is you cant ever be sure if one isnreally truly mental ill. Its kind of the dark side of modern medicene. MOst people have choices. The knowledege of right and wrong should be instilled in you as a child. What i get from you argument is that its ok for semone to kill someone cause they have had a bad childood or upbringing. What I dont seem to unserstand is how you think that all of them can be rehabed and how the us prison sytem can thelp do that. Not all the priosns are bad. I am telling you from my personal experinece i have been in a facility for the mentally insane for criminals. They are no different then prisons in fact thaey are much worse. The ideas for them is drugg the patient let him walk in a daze with no real chance of rehabilitation at all.