Going for the snip

[KrazyHorse]

How do you propose that a man with no penis sire a child in "the normal way"? What would the procedure be?

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Who the hell was talking about adult circumcision being a legal issue?

LotM was talking about circumcision in general. The only obvious legal issue in my mind arises when a child of either sex is mutilated deliberately. I'm more than happy to give adult men and women the right to make the choice for themselves, though I will also feel free to give them some advice (as I did for snoopy).

I suggest you read before you post.

I did read before i posted and i wasnt refering to lotm i was answering ur question. Females arent touched in this instasnces untill they are well into teen years when they are to become sexually active.

Your advice was well taken. No one myself i am refering to has said u dont have that right. He asked if it hurt, i said hell yes it does. I never in this thread have told him to get it done. But yet have been accused of mutalating babies. i do not see why any of you can not see that

[Jon Miller]

And you have answered mine.. what do you mean by significant?

Now obviously, in something as subjective as sex, a large change occuring later in life is going to cause a loss of enjoyment.

That does not mean that there is a loss of enjoyment between me and you (for example).

Jon Miller
(was cut at birth)

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski

I did read before i posted and i wasnt refering to lotm i was answering ur question. Females arent touched in this instasnces untill they are well into teen years when they are to become sexually active.

Would you mind explaining your thought process to me, then?

If a girl is mutilated when she is 10 years old then it is less acceptable than if she is mutilated when she is an infant?

Is this really your contention?

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


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"Normal" means not in a test tube? Everything else is normal? And I'm the one being silly here?

What the **** are you on about, Jon? Seriously.

"normal" is not normal

JM

[Jon Miller]

enjoyment comes down to chemicals in the brain.. and physilogical response..

I don't beleive that that shows any significant loss of pleasure by the majority of people who were cut

Someone who is use to something as enjoyable, and then has it removed (like an adult male who is cut, or even a 10 yearold) is off course being harmed

Jon Miller
(in other words, I think it is harm to do it after birth.. and to force all Jews who want to be religious or cultural to do it later in life would be highly coercive)

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
And you have answered mine.. what do you mean by significant?

Now obviously, in something as subjective as sex, a large change occuring later in life is going to cause a loss of enjoyment.

That does not mean that there is a loss of enjoyment between me and you (for example).

Jon Miller
(was cut at birth)

Jon, how the **** can we judge this except among men who have had the procedure done later in life? That's our only common yardstick.

The simple fact is that most of the pleasurable sensation during sex derives from the glans and foreskin. When you remove the foreskin, you:

a) lose all the nerves in the foreskin

b) significantly reduce the sensitivity of the glans due to the loss of the foreskin as a protective layer

How the hell can you tell me that a circumcised man can possibly derive the same level of physical sensation when their penises are so much less sensitive that they feel at all comfortable walking around with the whole glans exposed? If I roll my foreskin back and attempt to walk around while wearing pants the pain is overwhelming. Compared to that, a circumcised penis must be like a stick of wood.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


"normal" is not normal

JM

Jon, stop being weird. I have no clue what you mean.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
enjoyment comes down to chemicals in the brain.. and physilogical response..

I don't beleive that that shows any significant loss of pleasure by the majority of people who were cut

Someone who is use to something as enjoyable, and then has it removed (like an adult male who is cut, or even a 10 yearold) is off course being harmed

Jon Miller
(in other words, I think it is harm to do it after birth.. and to force all Jews who want to be religious or cultural to do it later in life would be highly coercive)

How ridiculous. This the "blind man from birth argument". A loss is a loss, even if you don't know exactly what you've lost.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

my thought process the girl has no choice in the matter even if she is over the age of 18. Men on the other hand have a choice to have forskin removed after 18 and is hardly in teh same class for females as it is for removing foreskin. your claims it reduces sensation in males, the procedure u talk about, in the females it removes the chance to orgsm at all. what is so ****ing hard to understand the differnce.

[Lorizael]

Now I know you guys love useless personal details, so I'm going to tell you all that I have definitely derived far more sexual pleasure from my mutilated manhood since the big snip than before.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Jon, how the **** can we judge this except among men who have had the procedure done later in life? That's our only common yardstick.

The simple fact is that most of the pleasurable sensation during sex derives from the glans and foreskin. When you remove the foreskin, you:

a) lose all the nerves in the foreskin

b) significantly reduce the sensitivity of the glans due to the loss of the foreskin as a protective layer

How the hell can you tell me that a circumcised man can possibly derive the same level of physical sensation when their penises are so much less sensitive that they feel at all comfortable walking around with the whole glans exposed? If I roll my foreskin back and attempt to walk around while wearing pants the pain is overwhelming. Compared to that, a circumcised penis must be like a stick of wood.

I am saying, based upon other sexuality things, that it isn't a common yardstick.

If you look at all the weird things people enjoy as sex.. you realise that it is mostly mental. As such, removing something that was part of what a person enjoyed as sex is obviously harmful. However, the baby has not enjoyed anything as sex (I beleive), and so as such their 'sex' (What they feel, enjoy, etc) is based upon it not being there...

Jon Miller

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
my thought process the girl has no choice in the matter even if she is over the age of 18. Men on the other hand have a choice to have forskin removed after 18

How many ****ing times do I have to tell you that my only problem as to a lack of consent derives from cases where children are circumcised?

Is this an act, or are you really trying here?

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


How ridiculous. This the "blind man from birth argument". A loss is a loss, even if you don't know exactly what you've lost.

For something as subjective as enjoyment of sex?

I will concede that circumcision is unnatural (all of us who are cut are fetishists )

Jon Miller

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


I am saying, based upon other sexuality things, that it isn't a common yardstick.

If you look at all the weird things people enjoy as sex.. you realise that it is mostly mental. As such, removing something that was part of what a person enjoyed as sex is obviously harmful. However, the baby has not enjoyed anything as sex (I beleive), and so as such their 'sex' (What they feel, enjoy, etc) is based upon it not being there...

Jon Miller

Bullcrap. While there is a large mental component to sex there is also a large physical component to it. Some things just feel good.

Killing off the sensitivity of the piece of the body most involved in the physical aspect obviously has a deleterious effect on enjoyment. Your denial of this is beyond belief.