Happy SS rememberance day!

[DanS]

I would be interested in seeing the numbers. I readily admit that the US has been welcoming Jews for a couple of centuries, not only the remnants of the holocaust. But in any event, my argument doesn't rest on the proportion.

[Serb]

Originally posted by David Floyd
It also bears mentioning that these troops were Waffen SS, not Einsatzgruppen and concentration camp guards. Waffen SS troops, for the most part, weren't butchers, although there are of course exceptions.

Oh, really? Only in Latvia itself they've exterminated 97 000 Jews. The main purpose of Latvian legion was a "punishment" operations, they've killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. Only in Pskov region Latvian SS legion burned thosands of vilages killing their inhabitants during the procces (mostly by burning them).
SHUT THE F*CK UP, David. YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THEY CRIMES.
They weren't a combat unit. All what they were good for is killing civilians in the most brutal way.

And hell, we remember the Red Army, even though they marched through Poland and eastern Germany raping women and generally pillaging. *shrug*

Oh, please go f*ck yourself insead of repeating this Guebels propaganda.

[Serb]

Am I banned now, Ming?
Come on I need a vacation. I'm tired of this sh!t.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Serb


So, it's Ok in US to a bunch of SS motherf*ckers who burn and slaughter people during WW2 to gather somewhere in the middle of Washington D.C. and march through the city?

Well, yeah.

Hell, we even allow neo-nazi rallies in Jewish neighborhoods. It was quite the uproar back in '78, with the ACLU taking the Nazi's side, the city council voting against it, etc. The Nazi's finally didn't march in Skokie because their original venue (some park in Chicago) became available.

It happened again in 2000 when the Ku Klux Klan held a rally on the steps of the Skokie courthouse. Again, they weren't banned, but they were counter-protested.

[DanS]

There is lots of irony there. I would guess that the ACLU has a large contingent of Jewish members.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Tattila the Hun


Source?

Anyways, they say this, those others say that. Quick qoogling seemed to give mostly very biased articles, from the "anyone not vehemently against the nazis in the 30's and 40's was a collaborator and deserves to be hanged, no matter the circumstances or even their age"-camp.

That article seemed to be from relatively non-biased source. And until proven otherwise, I say they are.

That propaganda sh!t is a copy-paste from the site of ministry of foreign affairs of Latvia:

http://www.mfa.gov.lv/en/latvia/History-of-Occupation/briefing-paper1/

A pretty non-biased source, my ass.

Although, a problem with small countries is, that anyone who actually cares about the matter is by default biased. I'm strongly biased against the Union of The Soviet Republics. I suspect you aren't.

Of course I am not. I was born in that country. And aside you, I have no reason to piss my pants every time I hear "USSR", beaceuse I know what kind of country was that.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Serb

1) There is a big difference between the capital of Michigan and the heartland of your country.

Here's a news story of a Nazi rally happening in W. DC in 2002:

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000324.html

Neo-Nazis gathered in Washington, DC, on August 24 for one of the largest white supremacist rallies in the United States in recent years. Organized by the National Alliance (NA), who misleadingly called themselves "Tax Payers Against Terrorism" for this event, their march on the U.S. Capitol was the neo-Nazi group's fourth anti-Israel event in Washington, D.C., since September 11.

The NA joined with other white supremacist groups, including the World Church of the Creator, Aryan Nations, and racist skinheads, to protest the U.S. government's support of Israel and the Israeli government's alleged mistreatment of Palestinians. Since September 11, the NA has repeatedly attempted to co-opt the Palestinian cause, to blame Israel and Jews for the September 11 attacks against the U.S., and to fuel anti-Israel sentiments. Despite displaying slogans in support of Palestinian independence, the group made their real agenda known by also protesting non-white immigration to the United States and shouting racial and anti-Semitic epithets.

In an effort to lure more people to this rally, the NA announced it would hold a white power rock concert, "Rock Against Israel," after the event-but only those who attended the rally would be admitted to the concert. This relatively new strategy on the part of the NA has allowed the group to attract increasingly larger numbers to its events. This event, which was partially re-billed as a tribute to former NA leader William Pierce following his death in July, attracted about 475 supporters. The tribute to Pierce, author of The Turner Diaries and one of the country's most prominent anti-Semites and racists, was another reason for the increased attendance. The last combined rally/white power concert, held in May, drew about 250 white supremacists.

Counter protestors, including left-wing anti-racist and anarchist groups, confronted the NA in a nearby rally of their own, which attracted about 500 supporters. In several previous confrontations between white supremacists and anti-racist and anarchist groups at racist rallies, violence broke out when the factions were able to break through police lines and meet head-on. This time, Metro DC and U.S. Capitol police created a solid wall between the two groups that prevented violent incidents during the events. However, according to media reports, a group of white supremacists were attacked earlier in the day in Baltimore on their way to the rally by anti-racist activists wielding tire irons, baseball bats, and hockey sticks. Police who arrived on the scene arrested about 30 of the attackers. At least three white supremacists were treated at a local hospital.

Although police kept white supremacists and anti-racist activists apart during the rallies, each faction tried to outshout the other and to break through police lines. The neo-Nazis carried Nazi flags and yelled "Sieg Heil" and anti-Semitic slogans, while anti-racists shouted "Death to the Nazis." Some anti-racist activists also carried signs that exhorted people to fight back against "killer cops." The demonstration ended without major incident; police arrested one man who tried to throw a rock at the neo-Nazis.

The rally was important to the NA, not only because it generated considerable publicity, but also because the event attracted about twice as many supporters as the previous one, a fact the NA could use to demonstrate to white supremacists that Pierce's death did not mean the end of the group he founded. A disappointing turnout at the rally would have spelled trouble for Erich Gliebe, the white power music promoter appointed to take Pierce's place. Now, unfortunately, the group may be emboldened to launch more demonstrations in the future.

There have been others.

Why is this surprising?

Actually, Serb, when people here speak of the "Heartland of America", they mean places precisely like the capital of Michigan, not W. DC. Just FYI, in case you care.

[Serb]

Originally posted by JohnT


Well, yeah.

Hell, we even allow neo-nazi rallies in Jewish neighborhoods. It was quite the uproar back in '78, with the ACLU taking the Nazi's side, the city council voting against it, etc. The Nazi's finally didn't march in Skokie because their original venue (some park in Chicago) became available.

It happened again in 2000 when the Ku Klux Klan held a rally on the steps of the Skokie courthouse. Again, they weren't banned, but they were counter-protested.

But tell me, did your minister of defence was among those people? Did anyone of your government opened that ****ing parade, did they saluted those KKK members?
You've said they were counter-protested. Did your athorities arrested and beat those protesters only? I mean, in Latvia they had such parades (to be honest this year is an exception) welcomed by the highest officials of their state like miniser of defence. Their police beaten up and arrested anti-fascist protesters, but not neo-nazis.
How often the same sh!t happens in your capital (in Latvia it happens at least once a year)?

[DanS]

Originally posted by JohnT
Here's a news story of a Nazi rally happening in W. DC in 2002:

No ****. A couple blocks from my apartment, but I never knew it took place.

Thanks to Google and JohnT, I have been educated today.

[JohnT]

Why would you assume "the authorities" would beat anybody?

As to how often neo-nazi rallies happen in our capital - probably not very often, true (though the article mentioned that this was the fourth to happen in DC since 9/11, a year earlier). But America's a big country and DC isn't the only place one can get noticed. They probably occur all the time, just never in one spot exclusively - one of the articles I read in looking this up referenced that there was a "tour" of neo-nazi rallies in 2002, going from city to city.

I had no idea they were going on. Not because of "evul government censorship" but because we don't care as they are totally marginalized, as much as any political party can be.

[JohnT]

DP

[Serb]

Originally posted by Az

with an exception of Sirotnikov, of course. His Russian just sucks

No it doesn't. Or maybe it does. I actually don't remember speaking russian to him.

HebRusenglish combo.

His Russian is just like my English. So, it sucks.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by DanS


No ****. A couple blocks from my apartment, but I never knew it took place.

Thanks to Google and JohnT, I have been educated today.

Yeah, but did you catch the part that said that was the fourth DC rally that year?

Marginalized, Serb... totally marginalized. Because we're smart enough to let them shout their idiocy to the whole world, rather than whisper it to the impressionable.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Ah, it is always funny to see Serb get pwned. I see that his ignorance is still there and he has absolutely no clue what freedom of expression means.

And Hell, the Soviets were massive butchers as well, should Latvia ban pro Soviet marches?

[Odin]

Originally posted by Serb

I see no difference.



So, according to you being anti-fascist = paranoid? while it's OK to be a nazi?

Way to go!

So it's wrong for people in the US South to praise thier ancestors who were in the US civil war? RIIIIIIGHT.