Happy SS rememberance day!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well the street preacher probably wasn't a resonable threat to commit violence or actually incite others to do violence. Most street preachers aren't. Those that instruct their followers to kill a certain listener and it is reasonable that they may act on his words, OTOH, they go away for assault.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Look, nazism in inhuman ideolodgy according to the decision of the international court - the Nuremberg trial. In most of the countries nazi parties are banned and people who agitate for slaughtering of other people because of their "inferiority" usually being presecuted.
Russia is no the exception and all nazi parties there are illegal.
So, what's your problem with that?

My problem with that is that it violates peoples' freedom of expression. If you want to repress rights, go ahead, but then don't deny it, you pussies. You can't handle that freedom, fine.

Are you a lawer of some kind?
Has anyone ever told you that you could be a pretty good Devil's advocate?
You stands on a very weak position:
"I don't care what those people's agenda is, they have their right to do anything what they care!"

Don't you realize that their freedom ends where they affect another people's FREEDOM, and in our case SAFETY and SURVIVAL?

Don't you realise that according to your position the people you are protecting could be anything from baby slaughtering (for "religious purposes" of course) Satanists, Jews slaughtering Nazi (for a "master race protection" of course) to supporters of 911 highjackers who will agitate people for commiting of more alike sucide attacks vs. American civilians (for the Holy Jihad, of course), because US of A is the Great Satan?

According to you Imran, all those people and alike jerks, have a right to express thier beliefs, to agitate for their ideas, to hire new members for thier sick societies and thus to countinue such activities, wich will result in further deaths among the innocent people?

You know what? You are sick, man. I won't be surprised if you are one of them. What are you doing is using a freedom of expression as a "smoke screen".

Imagine bunch of serial killers, like Washington sniper f.e. who gather in front of the White House and start to speak about such issues like:
- killing people is good
- raping is good
- killing people by surprise is twice as good
- group raping as twice as good
- there are no innocent people, the people we kill from the safe distance using the most modern technology (like our government do everywhere) are guilty by defenition, because they can't defend themselves, so they are doomed to die. It's all about Darvin's evolution of species - if you can't protect yourself from a bullet shoot a kilometer away from you or a falling plane highjacked by a holy warriors- you are weak, so you have to die and there is nothing wrong about that!
- young people should join us, as long as they don't want to repeat mistakes of the older generation, which sucked all the way.

This is what are you agitating for.

So they weren't part of the Soviet Army? They were a seperate Lithuanian Army?

The were part of the Anti-Hitler coalition - the force which fought versus Nazism. And yes, in the Red Army there were Baltic divisions consisted of the people from the Baltic states. Baltic SS divisions DID surendered to those divisions and were DISARMED by soldiers from the same Baltic countries, who fought vs. them, who fought vs. NAZISM.
Now the veterans who fought vs. Hitler treated as sh!t, while SS jerks whose only job was to exterminate civilian popultaion (that's all they were good for, as fighters they were total piece fo crappy sh!t) treated as heroes.

And one more thing, I realize it could be a shock for you but Lithuania and Latvia are different countries. There were no single SS division in Lithuania.
And since you have no idea about the difference among these two, I wounder what make you think you can maintain the conversation about the topic.

And you wish to silence them both because you don't like the tone of their message. Very Stalinist of you, and very much against freedom of expression.

Nazis and Satanists have no right for freedom of expression, simply because the ideas they want to express ARE CRIMINAL.

And criminals should be in jails instead of squares of capitals where they could agitate for widespread for popularity of their crimes.

I think history has shown Communism to be an inhuman ideology. We don't need a court to tell us the obvious.

It depends on the version of "history" you have. However, you can back you silly claim by providing a single quote from Communist theoretical teachings about slaughtering of innocent people for whatever reason or any other thing that consindered criminal by most of the civilized society nowdays.
What Communism is aggitating for is a better society without exploitation. Its antagonist Nazism is agitating for a supremacy of certain group of people, slavering of inferniors and slaughtering of people who simply don't deserve to live.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Assault is an apprehension of immediate physical violence.

True

Klan rallies don't fall into that, because they are there to simply protest (you think they are going to try to go to war against 10 times as many protesters?

You're not from around here are you? Back in the days Klan rallies often ended in necktie parties. Remember, the murders of the Freedom Riders in Mississippi during the 60s is still within my memory.

In any Klan rally, the Klan is simply marching while the cops hold back the protesters who want to punch 'em in the mouth)... unless the Grand Dragon says lets kill all the Jews and blacks right now and points at them in the crowd.

Greensboro, NC.

Only if there is an immediate threat. You won't be hauled off to jail if you simply shout it on the court steps while the judge is inside trying a case (unless you have a molotov cocktail in your hand, of course). The guy saying "Die ****** Die" isn't representing an immediate threat unless there is a reasonable risk that he'll actually use violence rather than simply yelling and carrying on.

I'm pretty sure that if you do it they will haul you away even if you don't have a weapon on you. You're more than welcome to test your theory. I'm sure there's a court building near where you work.

Is there any difference between that and some fool who says "Die Commie Die" to a flag burner? Or a preacher who says "Die Gays"? Or protestors in front of the Senate Building yelling "Die Frist Die"?

Maybe not. The point is that being a patriot, a Christian, or a Democrat does not automatically imply that you will be a threat to someone. None of those groups consider genocide to be a core value. The Klan and the Nazis consider the genocide, or at least the oppression of certain groups to be a fundamental principle. You simply can't be a Nazi if you don't consider Jews to deserve being eliminated and you can't be a Klansman if you don't think that extermination or enslavement of blacks to be a good idea. These ideologies inherently threaten civic peace and carry the promise of oppressing part of the body politic. It would be an infringement on the rights of the people to not suppress these groups.

[Imran Siddiqui]

These ideologies inherently threaten civic peace and carry the promise of oppressing part of the body politic. It would be an infringement on the rights of the people to not suppress these groups.

Hey, I guess fundamentalist Christians should be banned right? They threaten the civic peace and carry the promise of oppressing part of the body politic. Most pointedly, gays.

And quite obviously most people don't agree that it would be an infringement on the rights of blacks or Jews to let the KKK or Nazi Parties exist, because federal courts have ruled (as in the Skokie case) that not only could they exist, but that they could march.

[q=Serb]Imagine bunch of serial killers, like Washington sniper f.e. who gather in front of the White House and start to speak about such issues like:
- killing people is good
- raping is good
- killing people by surprise is twice as good
- group raping as twice as good
- there are no innocent people, the people we kill from the safe distance using the most modern technology (like our government do everywhere) are guilty by defenition, because they can't defend themselves, so they are doomed to die. It's all about Darvin's evolution of species - if you can't protect yourself from a bullet shoot a kilometer away from you or a falling plane highjacked by a holy warriors- you are weak, so you have to die and there is nothing wrong about that!
- young people should join us, as long as they don't want to repeat mistakes of the older generation, which sucked all the way.

This is what are you agitating for.[/q]

Yeah, its called free expression. As long as they aren't getting people together to kill people right there, why should we deny their expression of beliefs? Because you think it immoral? Well your suppression of freedom of expression (especially Satanists ) I find to be incredibly immoral.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

These ideologies inherently threaten civic peace and carry the promise of oppressing part of the body politic. It would be an infringement on the rights of the people to not suppress these groups.

Hey, I guess fundamentalist Christians should be banned right? They threaten the civic peace and carry the promise of oppressing part of the body politic. Most pointedly, gays.

Ah, but they do it through the legal system and they're decidedly less murderous.

And quite obviously most people don't agree that it would be an infringement on the rights of blacks or Jews to let the KKK or Nazi Parties exist, because federal courts have ruled (as in the Skokie case) that not only could they exist, but that they could march.

Here in the US we need something to laugh at. In Europe OTOH the Nazis ceased to be funny 70 years ago. Regarding the Klan, let's face it, they've had supporters like Strom Thurmond and his ilk to protect them.

Yeah, its called free expression. As long as they aren't getting people together to kill people right there, why should we deny their expression of beliefs? Because you think it immoral? Well your suppression of freedom of expression (especially Satanists ) I find to be incredibly immoral.

SO if they were getting people together to go kill people a block away it would be OK with you? Sheeeeshh. Strict constructionism really suxors.