Happy SS rememberance day!

[Serb]

Originally posted by Solver


This year, just so you know, all demonstrations were disallowed - those of the SS veterans, those of the left movements, everyone. Avoiding provocations. What was the result? Yesterday was pretty quiet, no provocations from any side, no fights with the police, etc.

I know. I've said that in my first post.

As for when stuff will settle down, I could go into explanations about what and why is happening here, but I've read enough of your posts to believe that you are not going to change any of your opinions and are going to keep the same attitude, so I probably shouldn't bother .

I can change my attitude if things will change, but currently I'm pissed off and it's not surprising. And banning of all demonstrations was a good decision, imho.

[Solver]

You aren't willing to change your perception of what's happening, though. Not a problem, I guess, doesn't really hurt anyone in Latvia or Russia .

[Serb]

Originally posted by Solver
Like you can't tell Eastern people by the looks of them. Or are the skinheads in St. Petersburg killing black students by coincidence, not noticing they're black?

Hell, everyone recognizes Chechens or other "lica kavkazkoj nacionalnosti" there, you're telling me that one can't Russians and Pakistanians apart?

No, but drunk football hooligans attack everyone they don't like. Something tells me there were more of their victims yestarday than just those foreigners and a lot of locals suffered too.

[Serb]

Originally posted by DanS
You're just bitter that communism was deposited in the same trashbin as fascism.

Really? And who deposited it there?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb
You think anti-nazism it's a kind of inferiority complex?

Why yes I do believe that one needs to have an inferiority complex to pointlessly whine about nothing events in countries no longer under the Russian heel. I don't think it takes some sort of great leap of logic to come to that conclusion.

[Solver]

Originally posted by Serb

No, but drunk football hooligans attack everyone they don't like. Something tells me there were more of their victims yestarday than just those foreigners and a lot of locals suffered too.

Haven't heard about these particular ones being drunk. Although yeah, anoter group today was drunk and killed a local bomzh, among other achievements...

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why yes I do believe that one needs to have an inferiority complex to pointlessly whine about nothing events in countries no longer under the Russian heel. I don't think it takes some sort of great leap of logic to come to that conclusion.

Nothing events, my ass. You've invaded and killing people for less.

[civman2000]

To Serb's credit, he has made a decent case that the Latvian government strongly sides with and glorifies SS veterans over Soviet veterans. That is definitely wrong. That said, there's quite a difference between that and the US merely allowing neonazis to march.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Solver


Haven't heard about these particular ones being drunk. Although yeah, anoter group today was drunk and killed a local bomzh, among other achievements...

Do you seriously believe anyone in St. Petersburg watching football while being dry? It's a waste of money.

[Solver]

To Serb's credit, he has made a decent case that the Latvian government strongly sides with and glorifies SS veterans over Soviet veterans. That is definitely wrong. That said, there's quite a difference between that and the US merely allowing neonazis to march.

The government, until this year, actually pretty much ignored them either way. The SS veterans were just allowed to march because they wanted to, but there was no particular government endorsment. Another thing is that some glorify the SS veterans, but it's not because they're SS, it's more because they fought vs. Soviet forces, that's usually the reason for glorification.

Do you seriously believe anyone in St. Petersburg watching football while being dry? It's a waste of money.

I'd certainly want to believe that there are still people who actually watch football for the sake of football and not getting drunk.

[David Floyd]

Oh, really? Only in Latvia itself they've exterminated 97 000 Jews. The main purpose of Latvian legion was a "punishment" operations, they've killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. Only in Pskov region Latvian SS legion burned thosands of vilages killing their inhabitants during the procces (mostly by burning them).
SHUT THE F*CK UP, David. YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THEY CRIMES.
They weren't a combat unit. All what they were good for is killing civilians in the most brutal way.

Well, typically, and I say TYPICALLY, the massacre of civilians was left to sections of the SS not associated with the Waffen SS, which for the majority of the war was a combat organization. Obviously, as I already stated, there were exceptions to this, such as the massacre at Oradour in 1944, and if I'm mistaken about the nature of the SS we are discussing I'll readily admit it.

However, my point was that as a group, the Waffen SS served a different function than groups of the SS that massacred civilians and guarded concentration camps, and I don't necessarily see a problem with combat veterans of the Waffen SS marching in remembrance any more than I see a problem with veterans of any branch of the Wehrmacht marching in remembrance.

I would certainly have a moral problem with war criminals marching in remembrance, but then again, to my knowledge members of the SS who were actively involved in war crimes and genocide don't exactly actively admit to it, much less march in remembrance of it.

I don't defend the Holocaust or the Einsatzgruppen, nor do I even really defend the Wehrmacht or Waffen SS - I'm just pointing out the difference. The connotation of "SS" is typically far more negative than most members of that organization deserve.

Oh, please go f*ck yourself insead of repeating this Guebels propaganda.

So Red Army soldiers did not loot from German civilians and rape German women?

And yes, Western forces also looted, but mass rape wasn't exactly a problem in the Western occupied areas of the Third Reich, and on top of that, I can point out numerous examples of Allied POWs (downed aircraft crews, which by the way weren't allowed to land on Soviet airfields after flying missions in support of Allied operations) in Soviet areas trying to protect German civilians from the Red Army, if you like.

[Ecthy]

Serb has no point yet you people keep arguing. He must be the best troll ever on Poly.

[MRT144]

but even the best trolls are still idiots

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Serb has no point yet you people keep arguing. He must be the best troll ever on Poly.

No, that would be AH when he was in his prime.

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Saras
More BS from our in-house reality-twisting, Stalin-apologising Russian neo-imperialist and historic revisionist Serb? Thought so.

Too bad you can't think pragmatically. Most of those anti-Nazi protestors were probably Russian anyway.