Historian gets 3 years in prison for Holocaust denial

[DanS]

No, but this is precisely why hate speech is banned.

It may be banned in your neck of the woods, but not mine. Personally, I find it odious that supposedly free societies have these laws and would wish that they be sunsetted, as appropriate.

[Gangerolf]

Originally posted by MrFun



Did you just pull that number randomly out of your ass?

He probably means the combined population of Austria and Germany, both have anti-holocasut denial laws.

But of course, anyone one the planet could get thrown in jail for it. I mean, Irving is British, he just happened to hold a speech in Austria.

anyway:

COUNTRIES WITH LAWS AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL
Austria
Belgium
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Israel
Lithuania
Poland
Romania
Slovakia
Switzerland

from the bbc link

edit; well that was a redundant post. me should learn to read

[Az]

Israel

not enforced.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by techumseh
Austria has it's own denial. The part of it's history when it was an integral part of the Third Reich (1938-45) is missing. It's not mentioned in polite society, or in many books. The Austrians conveniently consider themselves to have been occupied by Germany, rather than enthusiastic participants in the Anchluss and the war that followed.

So, while I don't mind legal penalties for holocaust deniers, Austria has a hypocracy problem.

I rarely feel an urge to defend my country, but what you're writing is BS. There's nothing "missing"-no cape of silence lies upon the time - to the contrary!

But first, I can't get tired to repeat this here at Poly: It's hypoCRISY not hypocracy, which would mean "Underrule" or something.

Secondly, what you describe was true in the 50s and 60s, was at the latest questioned by the student's movement and since the 80s is complete history. It was, if you wish, a convenient lie of my grandparent's generation to sneak from responsability. It's not a modern Austrian lie, we rather reflect ourselves upon how the "official" history after the war dealt with our own role in it. This debate is public, transported via most media. Truth is that the most important daily boulevard newspaper (Kronenzeitung) still sticks to the "convenient variant", but then again, how little hypocrisy is there in boulevard media, generally spoken?

I honestly believe that we discussed our own historical responsabilities more openly than most other nations. Like the massive backing the pogromes and annihilation of gypsies had in Eastern Europe, the many collaborators in countries like the Netherlands or France...


So don't paint Austria as a country where the time of the 2nd World war would not be discussed. It's a mean lie.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Az

Israel

not enforced.

I doubt that an anti-semitic revisionist movement gains power there (unless you let the Palestinian refugees back )

[Gangerolf]

If anything, Germans and Austrians are too hard on themselves IMO.

Other European countries have much bigger "hypocricy problems" when it comes to WW2 and Holocaust.

[Ecthy]

Talk about France.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Hitler killed way more Slavs than Jews, but this is hardly mentioned anywhere.

Hitler killed a lot more Germans than Jews, but this is hardly mentioned anywhere.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Gangerolf


He probably means the combined population of Austria and Germany, both have anti-holocasut denial laws.

Read my post after that "clarification" was already made, damn you.

[Gangerolf]

Well, MrFun, it seems that Vet's clarification didn't help you much. I think you misunderstood him (and me). Totally

Originally posted by MrFun
What does total population of Germany and Austria have to do with the potential number of people that can be arrested?

GASP!! OMFG!!! ALL GERMANS AND AUSTRIANS ARE TeH HOLOCAUST DENIERS!!!!

[Gangerolf]

Unless you're kidding, in which case I'm the one who misunderstood everyone.

[VetLegion]

I really don't understand where MrFun is going with his comments.

[Gangerolf]

I think that he thinks that you think that all Austrian and Germans think that the Holocaust did not happen, and if they all said what they think, they would get arrested.

[VetLegion]

How could I possibly know what ALL Austrians and Germans think? About 0.7% of them are wearing tinfoil hats at any time, the bastards.

[mitch]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
No, but this is precisely why hate speech is banned. So people can't say things which incite others and then stand back as Irving did.

So I am assuming you are for jail time for the Danish cartoonists who drew the Mohammed cartoons.