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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The only thing worse about the Nazis is that they did it with far more efficiency.
The only thing worse about the Nazis is that they did it with far more efficiency.
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Nah. What makes it worse in their case is that they did it against civilized whites instead of dark savages.
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Dunno about Austria, but the "swastika is banned" thing is - at least in this absolute form - a bit misleading for Krautland. There is a ban for political purposes, but there are lots of exceptions which allow the use in historic movies, historiy books or in museums.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
That may also be because the swastika is banned... and well, that was quite common in those years. It may also be seens as glofication of the Nazi years to put those uniforms in an Austrian military history museam..
I think it was also allowed in games (PG series for example), so I really wondered about HOI coming without them.BlahComment
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That is what I was wondering about. I know Paradox said that they'd get in trouble in Sweden (and they said in Germany, Austria, etc) for showing the swastika in HOI. Even in historical context. I dunno how right they were, but I'm sure their lawyers told them what to do.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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OK, so what about the guilt of the people who actually participated and are still living today? No one (AFAIK) is alive who suffered through or helped the Trail of Tears. The same cannot be said of the Holocaust. You can argue that they shouldn't be held perpetually guilty, but maybe not yet, since there are those who are alive that actively supported it, and aren't they guilty by your standards?Originally posted by Arrian
The guilt ought to go away after a while. Bear in mind that WWII is a lot more recent. Guilt of later generations for something that was done before they were born is silly. That doesn't mean you don't examine what happened and learn from it...
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I thought they simply were misinformed regarding Germany, but I don't really know what drove their decision. And, of course, I've no idea how it is in Sweden, but I always thought in Scandinavia they don't care about that....
It's a mystery to me
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Where were the Swastikas in Panzer General?Comment
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Mao,
I said "after a while" and specified that people who weren't even born yet shouldn't feel guilty.
That kinda implies that those who were alive, especially those who took part in it, should feel guilty, don't you think? I thought that went w/o saying.
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I thought in one of the later parts?Originally posted by VetLegion
Where were the Swastikas in Panzer General?
This is a screenshot of the usermade scn for PG II (or the PG conversion for PeG), but it has also modded gfx. Dunno if the flags are too. So yeah, maybe I'm wrong
But I always thought one of the games had them
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Originally posted by BeBro
Dunno about Austria, but the "swastika is banned" thing is - at least in this absolute form - a bit misleading for Krautland. There is a ban for political purposes, but there are lots of exceptions which allow the use in historic movies, historiy books or in museums.
I think it was also allowed in games (PG series for example), so I really wondered about HOI coming without them.
This is even more true in Austria. We less have such a general Swastika-ban than in Germany. It's only forbidden to use it for propaganda purposes IIRC, so computer games rarely have a problem with that."The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
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QFFT!Originally posted by joncha
Don't mention the war!Comment
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Sorry.Originally posted by VetLegion
Give me some credit
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In Sweden? We've got no law against swastikas per se, and various other computer games have been sold here complete with swastikas on WWII German soldiers and the like.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
That is what I was wondering about. I know Paradox said that they'd get in trouble in Sweden (and they said in Germany, Austria, etc) for showing the swastika in HOI. Even in historical context. I dunno how right they were, but I'm sure their lawyers told them what to do.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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Well then why the Hell did Paradox decline to put swastikas in HOI when apparently everyone seems to think their country doesn't ban swastikas.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Originally posted by Odin
Chinese guy talking about free speach =
I have maintained all along that free speech (sheesh, you can't even spell
) is not absolute. I don't see where you are coming from.
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