Historian gets 3 years in prison for Holocaust denial

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
Not so true, there are reasons why the Mongols or the Germans are more remembered for their atrocities than for example the French.

That's what I don't understand.

The Japanese were more brutal, barbaric, and bloodthirsty than the Germans. Yet they are seldom adomished, even though they did not make an "atonement" like the Germans.

[DaShi]

Um. . .you probably shouldn't criticize people for spelling. Just saying. . .

[Ted Striker]

MAJOR

Yay let's show how we as a society do not want to ever see fascism ever rear it's ugly head by...creating a fascist oppressive law.

Ridiculous

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Wycoff

They tend to be more conservative / knee jerk patriotic Americans, the "heartland" types who haven't left the states and who have never driven a Mercedes.

stereotype



What makes you think Midwest Americans do not travel abroad??

I'm from Iowa and I have been to Ecuador and Peru. I would like to travel more, but not all of us can afford to travel more frequently -- it could be more of a money issue for many of us, rather than close-mindness.


But thank you for your stereotype of those from the "heartland."

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by MrFun
But thank you for your stereotype of those from the "heartland."

I'm also from rural America, Mr. Fun. (I grew up in the Appalachians). I know some of our people have traveled abroad. My brother spent a year in Argentina. I also know that there are plenty of xenophobes who know little to nothing about the outside world and don't care to learn. I was just using it as shorthand for the typical "America can do no wrong" attitude that is the norm in rural America, not as an assertion that no people from rural America have traveled. Thanks for missing the point, though.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


That's what I don't understand.

The Japanese were more brutal, barbaric, and bloodthirsty than the Germans. Yet they are seldom adomished, even though they did not make an "atonement" like the Germans.

This is why singling out the Germans is stupid, hell they APOLOGIZED for the bad things they've did (which the Japanese have never done). For Christ's sake, let them be pround of thier country again with out having to apologize all the time, reminding people about history what history classes are for.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I feel that I'm agreeing with Odin way too often.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I feel that I'm agreeing with Odin way too often.

Yeah, its interesting to see who agrees on this issue. It doesn't seem to be related to political beliefs.

[joncha]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I feel that I'm agreeing with Odin way too often.

Never a good sign.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


That's what I don't understand.

The Japanese were more brutal, barbaric, and bloodthirsty than the Germans. Yet they are seldom adomished, even though they did not make an "atonement" like the Germans.

"Kill all Japanese" They've certainly been admonished numerous times. If you want a country that hasn't been admonished for its recent atrocities, look to China. Now the West certainly had a different attitude toward Japan's WWII atrocities than it did Germany's. However, this is true for their attitude toward China and other Asian countries. Those in the Middle East probably would garner such attention, if there wasn't so much national interest involved there.

As for atonement: yes, Japan didn't atone like the Germans. However, over the past several decades they did give billions to China and South Korea to help bolster their development. Japan also leads in many worldwide humanitarian efforts. While their method wasn't the same as the Germans, it is wrong to hint that they haven't atoned at all and deserved to be further admonished.

[Odin]

Originally posted by joncha


Never a good sign.

[dannubis]

Originally posted by Donegeal


Ya see, The Austrians aren't trying to force their laws on the Iranians, unlike some other people...

funny remark, since the law was mainly used by local (= country in which the presumed crime was supposed to have happened) people...

and even more funny: we may or may not have tried to enforce our values by issuing a stupid law (which whom i never agreed btw). i know however of another country who does the same by dropping bombs and killing people. I'll let history decide which one is the lesser evil.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Hitler killed way more Slavs than Jews, but this is hardly mentioned anywhere.

Except in most history books of the Second World War that actually deal with Western and Eastern Europe in any detail...


There is a difference- in intent, and in organisation.

Stalin killed more Slavs than Hitler too, through terror (liquidation of the kulaks, anti-Polish and anti-Ukrainian measures, purges, deportations and inept economic and agrarian policies).

It isn't however, simply about numbers, as if the Holocaust were just a grisly variant of a bingo game- Hitler's focus on the Jews was pathological, irrational and served to undermine Germany's economy.