Arnold must decide if killer is executed

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Sava
Ted

the one link you posted http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...cid=45&did=539 has data that is over a decade old...

The sources it cites are from the 1980's... before DNA testing was even available.

DNA doesn't change the aggregate numbers with regards to race between 1993 and present time.

And the 80% number is from 1995-2000

Nice try though.

On the other hand, show me the DNA evidence that got the conviction in this particular case. Oh wait, they don't have any.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Donegeal
Oooo... intersting. When was the DP reinstated and when did tookie commit these crimes?

You'd probably have to look at when the DP in CA was reinstated and when the Crips took off as a major criminal gang. I'm unsure of the dates for each. I just thought that it was an interesting point.

[Sava]

OH, BTW TED...

GO HERE http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p03.pdf

Page 9 is especially nice.

According to this, about 44.5% of the prisoner in US prisons in 2003 are black, 34.5% were white, and the rest Hispanic (with other ethnicities not having a category).

HOWEVER, looking at your graph, it says 57.87% of people put to death are WHITE and 33.71% put to death are black.

YES... MORE WHITES ARE PUT TO DEATH PROPORTIONALLY THAN BLACKS!!!

ZOMFG I WIN!!!!

[Sava]

and that 80% number is an example of CHERRY PICKING statistics because the link I provided shows that in Federal prisons there are a large proportion of black prisoners...

but State and Federal combined, it evens out...


I WIN

[Sava]

YES FOLKS, the DEATH PENALTY IS APPLIED IN A RACIST MANNER IT SEEMS

but towards WHITE PEOPLE!

[Ted Striker]

We already covered that a couple of pages ago with actual studies that do the number crunching.

Or you can read this one if you want:

16. U.S. General Accounting Office, Death Penalty Sentencing: Research Indicates Pattern of Racial Disparities (1990), at 5 (emphasis added) (hereafter GAO Report).

Or look at the Philadelphia study

Or look at the Justice Department study

Or the Georiga study

Or the NAACP study

They all come to the same conclusion. And none of them agree with you.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Sava
in Federal prisons there are a large proportion of black prisoners...

Thanks

[Sava]

So yes folks... let me again summarize.

Even though whites make up only 34.5% of the prison population in this country... 57.87% of the people put to death ARE WHITE!!!

THIS IS RACISM

[DinoDoc]

Sava actually pwnd someone?

[Sava]

Ted, you are using a study from 1990....

I am using stats from 2003-2004.

I WIN.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Sava
So yes folks... let me again summarize.

Even though whites make up only 34.5% of the prison population in this country... 57.87% of the people put to death ARE WHITE!!!

THIS IS RACISM

That doesn't make any sense. Most people in prison are not on death row. You've gotten a bit carried away.

[Ted Striker]

He's just cherry picking random stats.


I'm actually posting studies from the Attorney General, the Government Accounting Office, the NAACP.

The first study I posed was from 2005, so he's just desparate to make up for that.

He certainly has style points.


By the way, I do appreciate the enthusiasm, joy, and fervor you guys all display when it comes to talking about putting a person to death.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
He's just cherry picking random stats.

I took the TOTAL WHITE PRISON POPULATION FOR THE US.

and the TOTAL WHITE PEOPLE PUT TO DEATH.

sorry... YOU LOSE

[Grandpa Troll]

I love the whole debate of Black vs white

me Im white and am put behind a curve to make it more accessable to other people to succeed..

Ok

I came to accept this @r@p and now when this dirtbag killed 4 people and we paid for him to stay in prison and finally decide to off him..

or to quote a song from the the movie colors about crips and bloods from back in good old L A


when Rocket was riding in avan fixing to off one of his own (but in a rival gang)

"Put a Cap in da N!gg@r"

Im just quoting the song folks

I am sorry that all this debate is now about poor tookie

anyone feel for the familes of those that died?

Black or white

the Blood ran Red

why, as George Carlin and Ted Nugent asked, do we need Hate crimes?

Isnt it bad enough to kill someone, that we should have to guess if it was ahte crime to try them on?

I think we oughhta just go ahead and fix his sorry tail tommorrow, then the next Murderer and then the next and so forth and so forth

I feel if we held more accountable the people doing srimes by executing them then maybe we wouldnt have as much crime?
one thing is for sure, we would have less criminals at least

Now lets go and get the bad dawgs off the street folks

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Sava actually pwnd someone?

No, Sava is twisting the stats to his side of the argument...

If we were to look at the proportion of blacks that get the DP in relation to the TOTAL POPULATION of the US - everyone would instantaneously realise that Sava was yet again spouting a crock of ****...

Bit like how he boasts about the Bears D when the best offensive they've beaten is ranked an anaemic 18th...