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  • Originally posted by Sava
    Ted

    the one link you posted http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...cid=45&did=539 has data that is over a decade old...

    The sources it cites are from the 1980's... before DNA testing was even available.
    DNA doesn't change the aggregate numbers with regards to race between 1993 and present time.

    And the 80% number is from 1995-2000

    Nice try though.

    On the other hand, show me the DNA evidence that got the conviction in this particular case. Oh wait, they don't have any.
    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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    • Originally posted by Donegeal
      Oooo... intersting. When was the DP reinstated and when did tookie commit these crimes?
      You'd probably have to look at when the DP in CA was reinstated and when the Crips took off as a major criminal gang. I'm unsure of the dates for each. I just thought that it was an interesting point.
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      • OH, BTW TED...

        GO HERE http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p03.pdf

        Page 9 is especially nice.

        According to this, about 44.5% of the prisoner in US prisons in 2003 are black, 34.5% were white, and the rest Hispanic (with other ethnicities not having a category).

        HOWEVER, looking at your graph, it says 57.87% of people put to death are WHITE and 33.71% put to death are black.

        YES... MORE WHITES ARE PUT TO DEATH PROPORTIONALLY THAN BLACKS!!!

        ZOMFG I WIN!!!!

        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • and that 80% number is an example of CHERRY PICKING statistics because the link I provided shows that in Federal prisons there are a large proportion of black prisoners...

          but State and Federal combined, it evens out...


          I WIN

          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • YES FOLKS, the DEATH PENALTY IS APPLIED IN A RACIST MANNER IT SEEMS

            but towards WHITE PEOPLE!
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • We already covered that a couple of pages ago with actual studies that do the number crunching.

              Or you can read this one if you want:

              16. U.S. General Accounting Office, Death Penalty Sentencing: Research Indicates Pattern of Racial Disparities (1990), at 5 (emphasis added) (hereafter GAO Report).

              Or look at the Philadelphia study

              Or look at the Justice Department study

              Or the Georiga study

              Or the NAACP study

              They all come to the same conclusion. And none of them agree with you.
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • Originally posted by Sava
                in Federal prisons there are a large proportion of black prisoners...

                Thanks
                We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                • So yes folks... let me again summarize.

                  Even though whites make up only 34.5% of the prison population in this country... 57.87% of the people put to death ARE WHITE!!!

                  THIS IS RACISM
                  To us, it is the BEAST.

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                  • Sava actually pwnd someone?
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • Ted, you are using a study from 1990....

                      I am using stats from 2003-2004.

                      I WIN.

                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • Originally posted by Sava
                        So yes folks... let me again summarize.

                        Even though whites make up only 34.5% of the prison population in this country... 57.87% of the people put to death ARE WHITE!!!

                        THIS IS RACISM
                        That doesn't make any sense. Most people in prison are not on death row. You've gotten a bit carried away.
                        Lime roots and treachery!
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                        • He's just cherry picking random stats.


                          I'm actually posting studies from the Attorney General, the Government Accounting Office, the NAACP.

                          The first study I posed was from 2005, so he's just desparate to make up for that.

                          He certainly has style points.


                          By the way, I do appreciate the enthusiasm, joy, and fervor you guys all display when it comes to talking about putting a person to death.
                          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                          • Originally posted by Ted Striker
                            He's just cherry picking random stats.
                            I took the TOTAL WHITE PRISON POPULATION FOR THE US.

                            and the TOTAL WHITE PEOPLE PUT TO DEATH.

                            sorry... YOU LOSE
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • I love the whole debate of Black vs white

                              me Im white and am put behind a curve to make it more accessable to other people to succeed..

                              Ok

                              I came to accept this @r@p and now when this dirtbag killed 4 people and we paid for him to stay in prison and finally decide to off him..

                              or to quote a song from the the movie colors about crips and bloods from back in good old L A


                              when Rocket was riding in avan fixing to off one of his own (but in a rival gang)

                              "Put a Cap in da N!gg@r"

                              Im just quoting the song folks

                              I am sorry that all this debate is now about poor tookie

                              anyone feel for the familes of those that died?

                              Black or white

                              the Blood ran Red

                              why, as George Carlin and Ted Nugent asked, do we need Hate crimes?

                              Isnt it bad enough to kill someone, that we should have to guess if it was ahte crime to try them on?

                              I think we oughhta just go ahead and fix his sorry tail tommorrow, then the next Murderer and then the next and so forth and so forth

                              I feel if we held more accountable the people doing srimes by executing them then maybe we wouldnt have as much crime?
                              one thing is for sure, we would have less criminals at least

                              Now lets go and get the bad dawgs off the street folks
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                              • Originally posted by DinoDoc
                                Sava actually pwnd someone?
                                No, Sava is twisting the stats to his side of the argument...

                                If we were to look at the proportion of blacks that get the DP in relation to the TOTAL POPULATION of the US - everyone would instantaneously realise that Sava was yet again spouting a crock of ****...

                                Bit like how he boasts about the Bears D when the best offensive they've beaten is ranked an anaemic 18th...
                                Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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