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    Schwarzenegger must decide if killer is executed

    By Adam Tanner

    SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Saying he faced a heavy responsibility, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger pondered on Friday whether to spare the life of Stanley Tookie Williams, a convicted killer and former Crips gang leader set to be executed next week.

    "You just have to have an open mind on that and case by case and look at that and then make up your mind," Schwarzenegger told reporters. "But it is a very heavy responsibility."

    Aides said Schwarzenegger would resolve whether to impose a lesser sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole this weekend or on Monday, the day before the scheduled execution.

    The governor had heard from defense lawyers and the prosecution in a closed-door clemency hearing on Thursday.

    "I'm working on it. I'm looking, studying the whole thing, reading a lot, last night until 11 o'clock, almost to midnight," he said. "And I will be reading and doing all the research on it so we make the right decision."

    Little information emerged from the Thursday clemency hearing. "Arnold was a good poker player and didn't give anyone any sense of what he would do," said one person familiar with discussions at the meeting.

    Williams, 51, found guilty of slaying four people, has won celebrity supporters and a well-organized publicity campaign after writing a series of books urging youth to avoid following his footsteps and getting involved with violent gangs like the Crips.

    PERSONAL FAITH

    "My hope lies in God above anything and everything else," Williams told Reuters in an interview at San Quentin State Prison last month. "I have faith and if it doesn't go my way, it doesn't go my way."

    "I am not the kind of person to sit around and worry about being executed," he said. "I'm sure there are detractors who would like to hear that I am weeping. ... I fear nothing except God."

    The core issue of this clemency is whether a murderer can earn redemption in the eyes of society for his actions after the crime. U.S. governors typically stay executions because of doubts over evidence in the case or fairness of the trial rather than because of perceived redemption.

    Prosecutors say Williams acted especially brutally in the 1979 murders in which he killed a shop clerk and, in a separate petty robbery, a family of three running a motel. They also condemn his role with the Crips, a notorious gang that now has thousands of members nationwide.

    "Mr. Williams wants out of prison. This has nothing to do with redemption," said John Monaghan, assistant head deputy district attorney in Los Angeles.

    Williams maintains that he did not commit the murders and was targeted because of his gang activities, which he has since renounced. Supporters say he is of much more value to society alive than dead because he can continue to warn young people about the dangers of gangs.
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    Yes, the killer should be killed
    35.82%
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    No, society should not take revenge
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    A banana a day makes me less likely to start shooting people
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    Spam thread.
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    • #3
      I thought California did not have the death penalty?

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      • #4
        that thread didnt have a post for a week.....

        plus, mine has a poll
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dis
          I thought California did not have the death penalty?
          i would have thought the same thing

          and apparently the last time someone was given a favor in california was 38 years ago by.... reagan!
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          • #6
            But it says ArMold
            I need a foot massage

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MarkG
              that thread didnt have a post for a week.....

              plus, mine has a poll
              Don't you have better things to do than spam the OT? Like getting Santa hats to the rest of the smilies?
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MarkG
                that thread didnt have a post for a week.....

                plus, mine has a poll
                I can't believe you locked that thread.



                ACK!
                Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                • #9
                  He should be executed.

                  ACK!
                  Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
                    But it says ArMold
                    no it doesnt
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tuberski
                      I can't believe you locked that thread.



                      ACK!
                      keeps the spam... eer discussion in one thread
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                      • #12
                        former leader of the Crips?

                        it's nice that he has written some books and told kids to not join gangs...

                        but he was convicted of brutally murdering 4 people, and God knows how many more...

                        put him to death

                        this is a perfect example of why we need capital punishment

                        THIS GUY WAS A LEADER OF THE CRIPS... do you guys have any understanding of how violent a man this guy is? Sure, year of prison might have made him accept that he's ****ed and that his choices earlier and life were not good. PERHAPS THE FEAR OF GETTING PUT TO DEATH DOES THAT TO A PERSON.

                        Put him to death and save his cell for the next murderer.
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc
                          Don't you have better things to do than spam the OT?
                          got a second thread coming up...
                          Like getting Santa hats to the rest of the smilies?
                          dan is the official Smilies Manager
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                          • #14
                            Just kill him and get this over with.

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                            • #15
                              oh BTW, with the Crips gang now having nationwide membership, HOW EFFECTIVE HAS HIS ANTI-GANG MESSAGE BEEN?

                              I am not saying the Death Penalty is a deterrent. I don't believe it is.

                              The Death Penalty is punishment. Hence the word: PENALTY.
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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