Election 2005

[Sava]

Originally posted by Jaguar
Lately a lot of places are "going blue" due to general Republican incompetence corruption

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
So what? Tides don't shift overnight, you know. It takes time for a shifting electorate to be properly reflected by political representation.

Or a small disturbance could reflect the immediate situation instead of a general shift. And the influx of Democratic voters may very well not be enough to turn VA blue.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Yes, I'm well aware of that. Again I say, so?

I don't quite get what you're trying to say. You asked me if I felt the lesser state candidates were hurt by "association." I wasn't sure with whom you meant, but in the end, no, I don't think they really were. Such associations tend to have minimal impact on the more local elections.

It was a rhetorical tool; I wasn't actually inquiring about your views. I was suggesting a possible answer that was different from the one you proposed.

[Sava]

Kuci: yes, what is your point... I read that...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sava

Originally posted by Jaguar
Lately a lot of places are "going blue" due to general Republican incompetence corruption.

If they were competently corrupt they wouldn't have been caught, would they?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sava
Kuci: yes, what is your point... I read that...

I would not necessarily have voted Kaine.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


I would not necessarily have voted Kaine.

oh...

I misunderstood your intentions then

[Sava]

THEN I AM GLAD YOUR OPINIONS DONT MATTER

I AM A PROUD AGEIST

I HOPE YOU FAIL OZZYKP

WHEREVER YOUARE

sorry for allcaps

[Jaguar]

Sava

[Sava]

im really stoned right now guyz

[Kuciwalker]

We couldn't tell. Your posts are as bad as usual

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Jaguar
You're subtly changing the argument already.

How could I be changing the argument when I'm saying the same thing I said all along?

The Republican losses in the state legislature are irrelevant.

Why? If a traditionally "red" state that is unquestionably seeing a large influx of more "urbanite" voters like VA is seeing in it's North, it's valid to consider such election results might be part of a general trend. Democrats have been slowly increasing their vote share in VA over the years.

Your first post used the example of Kaine's victory as evidence of a broad political trend. My argument is not that the trend doesn't exist, so "proving" it to me is a waste of your time. Other victories for the Democrats don't validate your example.

I never said the "proved" it, but they do support it. You're just dismissing it without giving any reason, which is hardly convincing to me. Your assertion is that Kilgore lost because you thought he was an *******. That's even more subjective than my view, you'll note.

Kaine won because he came across as a decent human being, and Kilgore came across as spiteful and angry. I've seen about four or five different Kilgore advertisements, and I could tell that they were going to hurt him.

Again, this is subjective, and you have *no* way of knowing more than I do if this was THE reason why Kaine won. I'll wager it was some part of it, but a 6 point spread for a Democrat in VA (which is larger than Warner's margin was) to me indicates it not quite the red state it used to be.

[Kuciwalker]

I never said the "proved" it, but they do support it. You're just dismissing it without giving any reason, which is hardly convincing to me. Your assertion is that Kilgore lost because you thought he was an *******. That's even more subjective than my view, you'll note.

He did give a reason: that Kilgore lost because most people thought he was an *******, and this overrode any other trends that could have affected the race.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Or a small disturbance could reflect the immediate situation instead of a general shift. And the influx of Democratic voters may very well not be enough to turn VA blue.

Possibly, but time will have to tell on this. The shift won't be immediate, I never said that. I think it will slowly happen, though. Lots of pundits have been commenting on this being the apparent direction for VA (so it will become a swing state soon), so I'm not alone in this thinking.

[Kuciwalker]

Of course, if Warner runs in 08 then we won't get to observe that trend, because VA would have a much stronger reason to vote Democrat.