"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents"

[Agathon]

Originally posted by notyoueither


You think gangs would do without guns if the cops didn't have them?



What a fool.

Ours pretty much do. But that wasn't the point. If you had any sort of education at all, you would read what I read and notice that you missed the point. It's about avoiding escalation. If the cops don't have guns, it doesn't matter if the criminals do, since a shootout is still less likely.

The problem is that you're a right wing authoritarian who just doesn't know what he's talking about. Come up with some actual facts on victim behaviour... Oh no.. you can't? That's because you're talking out of your ass, as usual.

And it's nice that you chose that case, from way back when. That was the last police shooting I could think of in NZ and the guy was going berserk. They probably shouldn't have killed him either, and the police have been a bit more reasonable in similar cases since.

[Ming]

The problem is that you're a right wing authoritarian who just doesn't know what he's talking about. Come up with some actual facts on victim behaviour... Oh no.. you can't? That's because you're talking out of your ass, as usual.

Enough with the personal crap... discuss the topic, not the posters!

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Untill they blow a bomb up in a subway station killing a few dozen people, then all of a sudden everyone thinks the opposite.

Have you read nothing that has been written in this thread? People may think the opposite, but that makes them morons, or right wingers... but no difference there.

Having an open fire policy will lead to more deaths than the terrorists can hope to inflict. There are better ways of preventing terrorist attacks than opening fire on scared civilians. People act unpredictably when challenged by the police. Normal people. There are far more of them, and they are far more likely to be challenged than actual terrorists.

If you want to stop people bombing the tube, institute a search policy on all people going in. Sure, it will cause delays, but unless you think that a human sacrifice is worth the cost of you getting to work on time, that's not a problem (the problem is that right wingers probably actually believe that it does).

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Ming


Enough with the personal crap... discuss the topic, not the posters!

Well, part of my topic is the authoritarian personality on display in this thread, but OK.

[Winston]

You missed the bit where Patroklos pointed out that historically, the lefties have been the most brutally authoritarian. Comfortably so.

[MarkG]

[q=molly bloom]muggers are unlikely to ask you to halt by identifying themselves as armed police.....[/q] it's actually a pretty good trick

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Winston
You missed the bit where Patroklos pointed out that historically, the lefties have been the most brutally authoritarian. Comfortably so.

I didn't miss it, I ignored it because it was so daft. Excluding Stalin and company, who only represent the left in the fantasies of people like you, who are you left with? Clement Atlee?

Why not try reading up on the authoritarian personality before you make such comments?

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Agathon
Having an open fire policy will lead to more deaths than the terrorists can hope to inflict.

so far the terrorists have managed over 50 more, clever bollocks.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Untill they blow a bomb up in a subway station killing a few dozen people, then all of a sudden everyone thinks the opposite.

hmmm no and even if they did, who wants mob rule. This all a knee jerk emotionally driven response, with tragic consequences.

the trouble with the situation now for those who support the shooting incident is if the police shoot another innocent person, which seems quite possible, then 2 innocent people will be dead and the policy will be quite dead with it.

So better to stop a flawed policy before any more innocent people get hurt

[Agathon]

Originally posted by C0ckney

so far the terrorists have managed over 50 more, clever bollocks.

Once. And they screwed up the next time. Terrorism ain't easy. Let's say that there is one attack every two years, but the police keep shooting people. It ain't gonna take much for them to beat the terror count. And once this particular squabble is over, we will be left with gun happy police.

More people have died from lightning strikes in the US in the past 3 years than from terrorism.

Then again, this was Britain, so the police were probably just incompetent idiots much like the rest of British society. Is there something in the water there that prevents any form of efficient organization?

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Agathon


More people have died from lightning strikes in the US in the past 3 years than from terrorism.

The hysteria and overreaction to terrorist attack is really incredible. Even 9/11, spectacular as it was, only took out a few thousand people.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Even 9/11, spectacular as it was, only took out a few thousand people.

[C0ckney]

sit down, shut up.

Originally posted by Agathon


Once. And they screwed up the next time. Terrorism ain't easy. Let's say that there is one attack every two years, but the police keep shooting people. It ain't gonna take much for them to beat the terror count. And once this particular squabble is over, we will be left with gun happy police.

so the terrorist have had two attacks in two weeks (one failed), and the police have shot one person in the same amount of time. i'm impressed that you know that they'll be only one attack in the next two years, while the police will 'keep shooting people'. can i have a look at your crystal ball or did you just pull those 'figures' out of the same hole that everything you've posted so far has come from?

[MOBIUS]

The police ****ed up - end of story!

People can try and justify it however they want to but all the facts point to a complete and irretrievable FUBAR...

Well at least the Italians finally grew balls and reversed their decision to cancel the Inter Milan tour.

People need to get a sense of perspective that terrorism in the West is a mere inconvenience to the overwhelming majority of the population while it remains in the realm of the conventional instead on launching on kneejerk reactions that alienate any goodwill that may have been built up due to these atrocities...

[Patroklos]

Excluding Stalin and company, who only represent the left in the fantasies of people like you, who are you left with? Clement Atlee?

But, but, but, except, if you don't include, ignore that, that doesn't count.... Aggie will always be Aggie.

So I will go ahead and discount Hitler, Pinocet (sp?), and Franco for the right, and the net result is...

You are still wrong.