"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents"

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
According to Swedish news, his work permit had expired, which might be a reason for him to run from the police.

Sigh. Yeah, that may be the reason, but did he wear a big sign saying that that was the case when he ran into a subway train ?

What do you want ? That police doesn't act like this when people act like this and then blame the police for NOT taking out the guy when he is a sucide bomber that kills 40 people ?

I can't imagine that anyone living in London isn't aware of the fact that police isn't as relaxed as they used to be and if someone claims to be police and pointing guns at you, you don't run.

Ok, you may be a drugdealer that has spoiled a deal with some Columbian drugbaron, but I guess that you are in greater trouble.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Flubber
The police definitely were not perfect on this one. After all, someone they suspected of being a bomber made it into a train station. But for those advocating early apprehension, think about it.

Police were watching a block of flats . . . Dozens of police or just a few-- I assume just a few and probably not the people best trained in a takedown. You see something that looks suspicious so you detail a few officers to follow a suspect. You then call for a takedown team of some type while surveillance continues-- No one is in position to prevent him boarding a bus but perhaps knowing the bus routes, a group of officers can be congregated. You still hope this suspect will lead you to some information but the bulky coat is worrisome so the order goes out that he is not to enter a train station.

Police confront him to stop him but when he bolts, does not fire due to the crowds. Whe he trips/is tackled an officer(or two) immediately begins firing with the result that the supect is shot dead numerous times.

Plausible scenario??

I just think the folks that say he should have been taken down elsewhere/sooner are losing sight of the fact that it take time to get a team together, particularly when you don't know where a suspect is going

Then they should have had more people watching the flats. They fubared this one. If the police shot everyone that acted like this, the casualty count would be unacceptable.

[Agathon]

I read this morning that the police have already changed their story numerous times. Typical.

[Dr Strangelove]

He sure didn't look "asiatic" to me. If there's anything worse than bigotry in uniform, it's indiscriminant bigotry in uniform.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Agathon
I read this morning that the police have already changed their story numerous times. Typical.

Yeah, I also hate it when they changes stories just because more information gets avaliable.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
He sure didn't look "asiatic" to me. If there's anything worse than bigotry in uniform, it's indiscriminant bigotry in uniform.

I'm not sure - was it witnesses and journalists that said that or was it official police statements ?

[Alexander's Horse]

what we are really talking about here is giving police the power to summarily execute suspects. Who can agree with that?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
what we are really talking about here is giving police the power to summarily execute suspects. Who can agree with that?

Nope, that is not the quetion that is under debate here. What we are talking about is if someone acts like a potential suicide bomber, is it then reasonable that police tries to prevent triggering a bomb.

What you are suggesting is something that has no connection to how police acts when circumstances are different.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Agathon


Then they should have had more people watching the flats. They fubared this one. If the police shot everyone that acted like this, the casualty count would be unacceptable.

Really?? Do you have any idea how many places they are trying to watch? I don't but lets assume 24 hour surveillance. Even a 10 man team would tie 40 officers (working 12 hour shifts and alternate days). So if 3 suspects left at once, you could at most have a 2-3 officer tail which is nowhere near enough to prevent him from going where he wants.

So how many more folks did they need? Do you think the police have unlimited resources?? I'm betting they are watching a number of places where they don't really have any solid proof of any wrongdoing. To expect them to have "more people" at each of them is unrealistic.

Oh right I forget, your opinions have nothing to do with practicality and reality

[Flubber]

Bottom line . . . if you run from police toward a train station you get dead quick.

While its unfortunate if you are innocent, I don't see the underlying premise there as too unexpected.

Its not that dissimilar to a car that fails to stop at a military checkpoint in Iraq and gets hosed with machine gun fire. Same idea-- unknown threat and failure to heed a warning

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
He sure didn't look "asiatic" to me. If there's anything worse than bigotry in uniform, it's indiscriminant bigotry in uniform.

Indiscriminant bigotry

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Sigh. Yeah, that may be the reason, but did he wear a big sign saying that that was the case when he ran into a subway train ?

What do you want ? That police doesn't act like this when people act like this and then blame the police for NOT taking out the guy when he is a sucide bomber that kills 40 people ?

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Shooting an innocent is a crime beyond any excuse. That's exactly what the terrorists want the police to do. That's how they win. Make the government look bad...

[BlackCat]

I don't in any way say that shooting an innocent is good - what I say is that it is better that they shoot down a SC bomber than if he manges to make his bomb to explode.

This time police happend to kill an innocent, but it was an innocent that in all his actions made the police think that he wasn't innocent - ie he acted like an suicide bomber. Please tell me what choices those policemens (weteher they where special or ordinary) had.

Actually, I think that terrorist bombers are deeply scared about police that is determined to fight them - they are even more scaried about civilians that figth them, and at that point, I think that they have found out that they are very lonesome in UK.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie


Shooting an innocent is a crime beyond any excuse. That's exactly what the terrorists want the police to do. That's how they win. Make the government look bad...

This is quite rediciousisly, but I have to ask. What is blowing up 40+ people ?

[Alexander's Horse]

its all just an excuse for every authoritarian idiot in Western society to get his wet dream of order and rules and surveillance

complete overreaction and hysteria