"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents"

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Gibsie
Very funny molly, except that those of us who've said he lived in a favela were referencing another news story that said he moved to Sao Paulo when he was 14. Don't chastise us for your own ignorance

I'm not chastising anyone for ignorance- it's positively embarassing to see someone suggest that because at one time the dead man may have lived in a Brazilian city that he couldn't somehow then understand English after living here for three years and he had a flashback to when he was an extra in 'Pixote' or 'City of God'.

I have friends who come from Sao Paulo and it's far from being a wall to wall slum.


And, hard to believe, British police don't shoot you for expired visas either.

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Because god knows life is just like a computer game, I click the "investigation" button and instantly know everything about him.

You really think it's too much to expect the police to know who they're trailing at any given time? Unless he lived in an apartment complex of hundreds of people I don't think it's too much to ask. But then, you don't even care if police kill innocent people, so why would you care about such small details like them knowing who lives in a building they're watching?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Gibsie

Whites as well as foreigners?

Uhh, whites are foreigners too. Or at least the Canadian woman I helped today was both white and foreign.

[Bereta_Eder]

it would be stupid if they said police but they didnt it. unfortunately for them there were eye and ear! witnesses.then they proceeded in firing 5 shots at him. they lost it pure and simple. untrained. however that wasnt the #1 mistake. the amazing is that they let him get in the metro.

[Asher]

Unfortunately laughing about it and just saying, "That's Darwinism!" does not really go any way towards answering how tragedies like this can be stopped in future.

Well, as long as there are stupid people in this world there will be stupid deaths.

I'd imagine the publicity of this will itself help prevent future people from running from undercover cops shouting "STOP! ARMED POLICE!" like this tool did.

[Asher]

Originally posted by paiktis22
it would be stupid if they said police but they didnt it. unfortunately for them there were eye and ear! witnesses.then they proceeded in firing 5 shots at him. they lost it pure and simple. untrained. however that wasnt the #1 mistake. the amazing is that they let him get in the metro.

They said "STOP! ARMED POLICE!" before he entered the station.

He made the brilliant decision to run onto the train at that point, and he paid for it.

[Wiglaf]

If they knew he had an expired visa (http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=50439), which any intelligence agency worth crap should know, and if they didn't think he had a bomb when he boarded the bus, then why wait to stop him in the tube?

He ran because he thought they were immigration officials, which is what they should have been. The police who suspected him of being a terrorist are now entirely to blame.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by paiktis22
it would be stupid if they said police but they didnt it.

He had failed to obey orders from armed officers to stop.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1535246,00.html

When Menezes, dressed in baseball cap, blue fleece and baggy trousers, emerged from it at around 10am on Friday, he was followed. When he headed for the nearby tube station, officers decided to arrest him. An armed unit took over, ordering him to stop. He did not.

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by molly bloom
Uhh, whites are foreigners too. Or at least the Canadian woman I helped today was both white and foreign.

Way to pick the most flippant and least relevant part of my post to pick apart! I guess I should just be grateful you didn't break out the dictionary to explain the difference between "foreign" and "white"

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Gibsie


Way to pick the most flippant and least relevant part of my post to pick apart! I guess I should just be grateful you didn't break out the dictionary to explain the difference between "foreign" and "white"

If you don't know, I'll gladly assist.

[Bereta_Eder]

the eye witness clearly said that they said "get out get down".

and then what? boogie?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


He ran because he thought they were immigration officials, which is what they should have been.

He told you this ?

[Gibsie]

Whoa, according to molly's link, he had bullet holes in his back. I guess that finally puts paid to the notion that police genuinely thought he had a bomb on him, as we've been told countless times in this thread that's why they didn't aim for the body.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Gibsie

My own take: if armed police are trailing someone that they would consider a terrorist attack were they to run away after being challenged, challenge them BEFORE the situation gets to the point where lethal force is necessary. i.e. BEFORE they get to a hot terrorist target, certainly BEFORE they get to the second one!
.

Uh they DID tell him to stop before he got to the tube. He ran. Supposing theyd jumped him before he got to the tube, suspected he was a suicide bomber. What then? Wouldnt they do the same thing they did on the tube? Or would they not, since if he blows, he "only" kills a few cops, not a carload of passengers? And if they shoot him BEFORE he gets on the tube, would you and others not be MORE convinced the police did the wrong thing?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Gibsie
Whoa, according to molly's link, he had bullet holes in his back. I guess that finally puts paid to the notion that police genuinely thought he had a bomb on him, as we've been told countless times in this thread that's why they didn't aim for the body.

"Pereira said that the most upsetting part of identifying his cousin was 'to see bullet wounds in his back and his neck when I went to the mortuary in Greenwich"

Hmmm. Lets see what the autopsy says.