Communist Revolution in Canada?

[techumseh]

Originally posted by notyoueither


'Paranoid' with good reason in this case. They are actually breaking the law simply with the content of their web site.

Spare us, nye! The Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects freedom of speech, including this bunch. If you don't believe me, report them to the RCMP.


Every ten years or so, a bunch of Maoist fanatics get organized in Montreal, and found a new "more revolutionary than thou" political party. In the late 70's it was En Lute! (In Struggle!), and there have been a couple since. In two years they'll be split into half a dozen different factions.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Agathon


You have all the grounds in the world. There is no inconsistency. If you want some, then it is a prudential matter.

But I don't think these guys are going anywhere.

Are you laying odds on the fact that a published act of sedition will not likely be very successful in the long run?

You are very bold, Sah!

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by techumseh


Spare us, nye! The Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects freedom of speech, including this bunch. If you don't believe me, report them to the RCMP.

Every ten years or so, a bunch of Maoist fanatics get organized in Montreal, and found a new "more revolutionary than thou" political party. In the late 70's it was En Lute! (In Struggle!), and there have been a couple since. In two years they'll be split into half a dozen different factions.

If you think CSIS and the RCMP aren't all over these guys like hair on an ape by now, well then, may I interest you in a bridge?

Section 59 of the Criminal Code of Canada. Sedition. Have a good read. Also review the sections regarding treason and high treason (section 46).

The Charter does not allow the freedom to overrun the state and extinguish the Charter, along with everything else.

[techumseh]

It's usually pointless to argue with an armchair lawyer, so I'll just ask you this. If your interpretation is correct and this group is guilty of criminal activity AND if you're also right that the agencies of state security on top of the groups' activities, why haven't they done anything about it? Shouldn't charges be laid, people arrested, that sort of thing? Why is their website still up?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Frankly, I'd think it appauling that a Western democracy would close down a group like this for 'sedition'. A blatent violation of free speech rights (Oh, and laws that the Germans and French, etc, have against Nazi parties already do appaul me, fyi).

[notyoueither]

What is the status of alQ in the US, Imran?

Hamas?

[notyoueither]

What did they do to those poor boys and girls at Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Let the state without sin cast the first stone.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by techumseh
It's usually pointless to argue with an armchair lawyer, so I'll just ask you this. If your interpretation is correct and this group is guilty of criminal activity AND if you're also right that the agencies of state security on top of the groups' activities, why haven't they done anything about it? Shouldn't charges be laid, people arrested, that sort of thing? Why is their website still up?

For the reason that they don't matter, yet, and it would do no public good to squash them?

Maybe for the same reason they infiltrated the white supremesist movement while leaving them go on for years?

[KrazyHorse]

I see no problem with shutting them down.

**** sedition. They're guilty of incitement to violence...

[notyoueither]

but the original question was, is this legal in Canada?

The answer is that advocating the violent overthrow of the GoC is, indeed, against the law.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I see no problem with shutting them down.

**** sedition. They're guilty of incitement to violence...

So was Tiger Williams.

[Zoid]

techumseh said it best. Loony fringe groups spring up every so often, then disappear without a trace. The peruvian maoist gerilla, Sendero Luminoso, actually have a handful of followers in Sweden. No cares about them and they are a joke as hardcore revolutionaries...

[Dracon II]

"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow"

[Ben Kenobi]

See these same signs all over the downtown eastside of Vancouver. Mostly they get ripped down within a day or so.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
They're guilty of incitement to violence...

There is a difference between saying, "we plan to kill ..." and "and go kill ..." The latter is incitement, the former is not.

Anyway, Canada has dozens of revolutionary groups, whom the Canadian government largely ignores. The same is true in the U.S. As NYE notes, we are irrelevent, so the government pays no attention to us. Anarchists on the other hand, committ acts of vandalism, and so the government of both countries does pay quite a bit of attention to them.

Aggie, just because I don't want to be the next Stalin, like you seem to want to do, that doesn't make me a Menshevik. Violence, i.e., self-defense, may be necessary, but that doesn't mean I look forward to it.

Nor do I believe in killing anyone who isn't actively trying to kill you or someone else. Letting the capitalists live is morally right, and practically necessary, since they will have much of the technical knowledge needed to run society.

I find no humor in death, nor in threatening to kill. It is one of your most inhuman qualities.