Communist Revolution in Canada?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Lord Nuclear

Yes.

You are welcome to bring a few bagels.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by Agathon


You are welcome to bring a few bagels.

With cream cheese?

[Agathon]

Of course.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Lord Nuclear
Look, correct me if I'm wrong here but, since when is Canadian soceity ANYTHING like pre-civil war Russia?

You forgot that not only White Russians were there, but also foreign armies.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
You forgot that not only White Russians were there, but also foreign armies.

As I said, how does any country then compare to Canada now?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Lord Nuclear
As I said, how does any country then compare to Canada now?

Suppose a peaceful communist revolution were to take place in Canada, you don't think the US would intervene?

They have intervened in much smaller countries much further from home.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Suppose a peaceful communist revolution were to take place in Canada, you don't think the US would intervene?

They have intervened in much smaller countries much further from home.

There is no such thing as a peaceful revolution anyways.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Suppose a peaceful communist revolution were to take place in Canada, you don't think the US would intervene?

They have intervened in much smaller countries much further from home.

Exactly why they wouldn't intervene - militarily - in Canada. Unless the government were overthrown, maybe.

[techumseh]

Originally posted by Lord Nuclear


Somehow I highly doubt the majority of Capitalists are out to kill the Communists.

Wait until their property is confiscated. History shows that they get real mean. Don't forget there is lots of historical precedent to go by.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I'm still waiting to hear what the status of AQ and Hamas are in the US. I'm sure that sympathizers are having their rights to free speech respected.

Actually people who simply sympathize with Al Queda and Hamas have nothing done to them by the US government (except maybe a file on them). You know, like Ward Churchill, who isn't in jail.

If you supply them with money or assistance in carrying out their goals in the US, that ain't speech, so restricting that ain't restricting free speech.

The fact that the police aren't prosecuting people who simply say they want a violent revolution to overthrow the government means that they realize that the law is a silly anti-Free Speech provision that they shouldn't enforce (a police veto, if you will). If they act beyond speech, they will. It doesn't matter if it is technically against the law, de facto it isn't because the police think it's bollocks and an affront to free speech.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Actually people who simply sympathize with Al Queda and Hamas have nothing done to them by the US government (except maybe a file on them). You know, like Ward Churchill, who isn't in jail.

If you supply them with money or assistance in carrying out their goals in the US, that ain't speech, so restricting that ain't restricting free speech.

The fact that the police aren't prosecuting people who simply say they want a violent revolution to overthrow the government means that they realize that the law is a silly anti-Free Speech provision that they shouldn't enforce (a police veto, if you will). If they act beyond speech, they will. It doesn't matter if it is technically against the law, de facto it isn't because the police think it's bollocks and an affront to free speech.

Really? I suppose they caught this guy with a bomb in his shoe then, yes?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/arar/index.html

[Imran Siddiqui]

He was being sent to Syria for interrogation because the Administration suspected him of having links to Al Queda and was suspected of helping them plan attacks. They didn't think he simply symphathized with those groups... if they did that to every person who symphatized with Al Queda, a great deal more of the Muslims that fly into US cities would be shipped to Syria

And I wasn't aware that he was prosecuted under US law, In fact, I thought the Bush Administration sent him to Syria because there was nothing that could be done against him under the laws of the United States.

Very weak on your part (weaker than usual to boot), nye.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oh, and btw, link from that link:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/04/21/arar050421.html

The documents released Thursday suggest senior Canadian officials failed to act to prevent Arar's deportation – and once he was in Syria, Canadian authorities appeared more interested in Arar's interrogation than his treatment.

Apparently the Canadians believed him to be a terrorist as well. Not excused, but saying he was shipped simply because he sympathized with Al Queda is clearly off the mark.

[notyoueither]

I suppose these guys must have been terrorists because...???

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/06/27/usdom11213.htm

Scores of Muslim Men Jailed Without Charge
Justice Department Misused Material Witness Law in Counterterrorism Efforts

(New York, June 27, 2005)—Operating behind a wall of secrecy, the U.S. Department of Justice thrust scores of Muslim men living in the United States into a Kafkaesque world of indefinite detention without charge and baseless accusations of terrorist links, Human Rights Watch and the American Civil Liberties Union said in a report released today.

Following the September 11 attacks, the Justice Department held the 70 men—all but one Muslim—under a narrow federal law that permits the arrest and brief detention of “material witnesses” who have important information about a crime, if they might otherwise flee to avoid testifying before a grand jury or in court. Although federal officials suspected the men of involvement in terrorism, they held them as material witnesses, not criminal suspects.

Almost half of the witnesses were never brought before a grand jury or court to testify. The U.S. government has apologized to 13 for wrongfully detaining them. Only a handful were ever charged with crimes related to terrorism.

“These men were victims of a Justice Department that was willing to do an end run around the law,” said Jamie Fellner, director of Human Rights Watch’s U.S. Program. “Criminal suspects are treated better than these material witnesses were.”

The 101-page report, “Witness to Abuse: Human Rights Abuses under the Material Witness Law since September 11,” documents how the Justice Department denied the witnesses fundamental due process safeguards. Many were not informed of the reason for their arrest, allowed immediate access to a lawyer, nor permitted to see the evidence used against them. The Justice Department evaded fundamental protections for the suspects and the legal requirements for arrested witnesses. Their court proceedings were conducted behind closed doors, and all the court documents were sealed.

“Haste, incompetence and prejudice played a role in these detentions,” said Anjana Malhotra, the report’s author and Aryeh Neier fellow at Human Rights Watch and the American Civil Liberties Union. “Muslim men were arrested for little more than attending the same mosque as a September 11 hijacker or owning a box-cutter.”

...

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
He was being sent to Syria for interrogation because the Administration suspected him of having links to Al Queda and was suspected of helping them plan attacks. They didn't think he simply symphathized with those groups... if they did that to every person who symphatized with Al Queda, a great deal more of the Muslims that fly into US cities would be shipped to Syria

And I wasn't aware that he was prosecuted under US law, In fact, I thought the Bush Administration sent him to Syria because there was nothing that could be done against him under the laws of the United States.

Very weak on your part (weaker than usual to boot), nye.

Yeah, you're right. Nothing under US law to allow them to torture the guy either. That would be a good reason to ship the guy to Syria.