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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Letting the capitalists live is morally right
If they don't use all means at their disposal, regardless how unethical they are, to brutally suppress any revolutionary movement first...
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
and practically necessary, since they will have much of the technical knowledge needed to run society.
Actually, I say most technical knowledge is with specialised workers now.
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Originally posted by Lord Nuclear
How do you know that? And even so, two wrongs don't make it right. God Agathon, you're acting like a child.
If the other side is out to kill you what's wrong with killing them?
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Precisely, UR. By your logic it would be a good idea for some loyalist Canadians to infiltrate the group under discussion and grease them before they have a chance to grease anyone else.
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Originally posted by Chegitz Guevara
There is a difference between saying, "we plan to kill ..." and "and go kill ..." The latter is incitement, the former is not.
And this is why nye's posts are a bunch of bollocks. He can't differentiate between 'sedition' and 'incitement of violence'. Banning one is consistent with freedom of speech (since it isn't really speech, but a command) and the other is not. (Though I love bringing Waco into it. A 'compound' that opens fire against the FBI is the same as any Communist organization that merely advocates revolution... ).
Saying that advocating violent overthrow of the government should be against the law is a GREAT affront to free speech. As long as violence is not actually engaged in, what is the big deal?
It's like someone saying (and actually meaning) "Someone should kick the crap out of Senator X". We don't arrest that person. Advocating violence and carrying it out are different things.
In the US, the arresting of people for mere sedition in our past is seen as something utterly horrible (Alien & Sedition Act of the 1790s), even when done when we were the good guys (Civil War, WW1).
Actually, I say most technical knowledge is with specialised workers now.
I think they be better identified with the petit bourgeoisie, and would find themselves more in agreement with the capitalists.
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Originally posted by notyoueither
Precisely, UR. By your logic it would be a good idea for some loyalist Canadians to infiltrate the group under discussion and grease them before they have a chance to grease anyone else.
The fatal flaw in your argument is it is not based on actual actions while mine is.
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
If they don't use all means at their disposal, regardless how unethical they are, to brutally suppress any revolutionary movement first...
Since the've already done that, there's nothing to apologize for.
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And this is why nye's posts are a bunch of bollocks. He can't differentiate between 'sedition' and 'incitement of violence'. Banning one is consistent with freedom of speech (since it isn't really speech, but a command) and the other is not. (Though I love bringing Waco into it. A 'compound' that opens fire against the FBI is the same as any Communist organization that merely advocates revolution... ).
Saying that advocating violent overthrow of the government should be against the law is a GREAT affront to free speech. As long as violence is not actually engaged in, what is the big deal?
It is against the law. The distinction being that the authorities are unlikely to do much about a bunch of kids mouthing off, but are very likely to get really interested if any actions started being taken.
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Saying 'I'll kill you' is against the law as well, but is also unlikely to result in a charge unless the police have something more to go on than a heated argument.
I'm still waiting to hear what the status of AQ and Hamas are in the US. I'm sure that sympathizers are having their rights to free speech respected.
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