Spain is REALLY gay now

[Whaleboy]

Short and sweet, the concept that marriage doesn't care whether you are a man or a woman does effect what marriage means between a man and a woman.

How?

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, for starters, if you believe that men and women are different, that they complement each other, rather than just being the same.

But I'd really prefer to keep this to the one thread.

[Whaleboy]

Well, for starters, if you believe that men and women are different, that they complement each other, rather than just being the same.

But I'd really prefer to keep this to the one thread.

No that's ok, it would be pointless to deal with irrelevant arguments.

You haven't explained why the dynamics of one relationship affect another by definition? Is one marriage now internally relative to all others?

[Ben Kenobi]

You haven't explained why the dynamics of one relationship affect another by definition? Is one marriage now internally relative to all others?

Alright, I'll spell it out a bit more, but this will be my last post in this thread.

Gay marriage says that it is the same thing for a man to be married to a man, as it is for a man to be married to a woman. One of the assumptions behind this is that men and women are fundamentally the same. If you don't believe this to be true, and see men and women as being different from each other, then gay marriage is going to act contrary to this position.

I think it does effect marriages between a man and a women, to see both the man and the woman as precisely the same, especially, if they are really different, and need to be understood as such.

Does this make any sense at all to you?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Bill3000
Speaking of which, what was Fez's position on this issue? I forgot.

He's an ardent supporter of gay marriage now

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Does this make any sense at all to you?

Yes: It's an obvious rationalization of a position you held prior to thinking about this.

And overall, I don't think the effect you describe will effect any couple. Homophobes will continue to live their marriage all the same (because they won't see gay marriages as "real marriages" anyway), and tolerant people will not care one notch.

I don't even think that it'll affect homophobic closet gays, considering that the big step for them is to admit one's homosexuality, which is very remote from marriage concerns.

In short, your argument has some tolerable internal consistency, but it doesn't hold water to reality.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Spaniards R all gay tw@ts.

[Zulu Elephant]

Spaniards R all gay tw@ts.

damnnit.
came to this thread for the sole reason of posting exactly that

[Atahualpa]

Why do people want to get married at all?

[Kontiki]

The Lord commands them to become one flesh, procrate and get government benefits. There is no other reason.

[Atahualpa]

Seriously? What's the point in getting married?
It makes no sense to me.

[Whaleboy]

Gay marriage says that it is the same thing for a man to be married to a man, as it is for a man to be married to a woman. One of the assumptions behind this is that men and women are fundamentally the same. If you don't believe this to be true, and see men and women as being different from each other, then gay marriage is going to act contrary to this position.

No, your assumption here is that legit marriage requires the two parties to be the same, but marriage itself is relevant only to the capacity to have a loving relationship, so in order for you to make your argument you have to presume that gay love is inherently inferior to heterosexual love.

I think it does effect marriages between a man and a women, to see both the man and the woman as precisely the same, especially, if they are really different, and need to be understood as such.

Does this make any sense at all to you?

Pretty much the only difference operative to your argument is the difference between an anus and a vagina.

"To have and to hold..."

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Yet another country grows more civilized. Hope the world will continue its march forward

[Bill3000]

Originally posted by Atahualpa
Seriously? What's the point in getting married?
It makes no sense to me.

Personally, I'd say tradition more than anything, as well as companionship, as well as the obvious reasoning of procreation. (you know, meaning of life and all is to survive the species) Companionship obviously is the most important one, at least since the beginning of the 20th century when marriage became an act of love through the invention of the heterosexual, which was not its purpose earlier on, which was more akin to security, I believe, or something.

But times change, and marriage became an act of love, people started to not have kids/have fewer kids, both parents worked for both financial reasons and social change. Thus, today it is mostly tradition and companionship, rather than procreation. Plus, men get to leave their name in family lines when genetically it is just the opposite, and men are biologically the weaker sex.

Ignoring the legal benefits/penalties, of course.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Atahualpa
Seriously? What's the point in getting married?
It makes no sense to me.

Aside the romantic gesture?

The benefits afforded by law is a good practical reason to get married. Tax benefits, right to abode and work (if spouse is foreign), rights of family in health matters. etc.