Spain is REALLY gay now

[alva]

Spain is the fourth country to legalize gay marriage, after Canada, Holland and Belgium.

As far I know it's the third country to legalise it, Canada hasn't yet. It is the firs one to completely legalise adoption for gay couples IIRC, we should follow soon.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Bill3000


Personally, I'd say tradition more than anything, as well as companionship, as well as the obvious reasoning of procreation. (you know, meaning of life and all is to survive the species) Companionship obviously is the most important one, at least since the beginning of the 20th century when marriage became an act of love through the invention of the heterosexual, which was not its purpose earlier on, which was more akin to security, I believe, or something.

But times change, and marriage became an act of love, people started to not have kids/have fewer kids, both parents worked for both financial reasons and social change. Thus, today it is mostly tradition and companionship, rather than procreation. Plus, men get to leave their name in family lines when genetically it is just the opposite, and men are biologically the weaker sex.

That's not a reason for marriage. You can have those whilst 'living in sin'.

[Bill3000]

Originally posted by Dauphin
That's not a reason for marriage. You can have those whilst 'living in sin'.

Marriage is quite a close form of companionship, (admit it, it's more than a form of companionship of best friends or whatever) and if marriage is tradition, you can't do the tradition without getting married.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Spain

And at Ben's justification. I'd further like to point out that there is a difference between sex (biological) and gender (social). In terms of gender, there is little difference in one man marrying a really effiminate gay man or a masculine woman. The only thing that is left is that men and woman are different biologically (different sexes), so it does seem to a be problem of the difference of an anus and vagina.

[Atahualpa]

Originally posted by Dauphin
Aside the romantic gesture?

The benefits afforded by law is a good practical reason to get married. Tax benefits, right to abode and work (if spouse is foreign), rights of family in health matters. etc.

You know, I don't see anything romantic in marriage.. even the word is disgusting (especially the german term "ehe"). I think of it as an institution that forces you to follow a certain road.. It was especially shocking to go to my friend's wedding and hear everyone talking about children and babies (even the priest in the church)...
I mean you are married some hours and people talk about children.
And if some girl would want to marry me, I'd probably not interpret it as she'd love me, but that she would want to posses me.

But times change, and marriage became an act of love, people started to not have kids/have fewer kids, both parents worked for both financial reasons and social change. Thus, today it is mostly tradition and companionship, rather than procreation. Plus, men get to leave their name in family lines when genetically it is just the opposite, and men are biologically the weaker sex.

The trouble is, in our system we have to discuss which name to use... I like the spanish system, where the people have both the names of their father and their mother, but only that of the father is taken further (ofc this could be discussable again).. but they have names like: "Juan Pablo
Ruiz Sánchez"

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Alright, I'll spell it out a bit more, but this will be my last post in this thread.

Gay marriage says that it is the same thing for a man to be married to a man, as it is for a man to be married to a woman. One of the assumptions behind this is that men and women are fundamentally the same. If you don't believe this to be true, and see men and women as being different from each other, then gay marriage is going to act contrary to this position.

I think it does effect marriages between a man and a women, to see both the man and the woman as precisely the same, especially, if they are really different, and need to be understood as such.

Does this make any sense at all to you?

There are obviously different personality and physical dynamics, but in the eyes of the law, no, they should be exactly the same. What goes on behind closed doors is their own business and not for the likes of you to intrude in...

[ixnay]

Freedom is on the march!

[cal_01]

Originally posted by alva

Spain is the fourth country to legalize gay marriage, after Canada, Holland and Belgium.

As far I know it's the third country to legalise it, Canada hasn't yet. It is the firs one to completely legalise adoption for gay couples IIRC, we should follow soon.

I thought Canada legalized it yesterday..?

Read it here!

[MosesPresley]

[Giancarlo]

I'm going to post about this (and make a rare apperance), and say this is a very historic, democratic important move for Spain. The Catholic Church of course opposed it, but we know that in Spain 60% are in favor of gay marriage. I'm happy to see this get moved forward. I personally wouldn't get married... but still this is very important.

Ben's position on this is of course ridiculous, and it is out of love.

I'll just step back into the dark right now. I don't have time for posting on any forums. Sorry I haven't been... I've been busy with summer classes, and work. So good luck to you all. Don't do anything I wouldn't.

Well if you want an update on me personally, send me a message and I'll give you my "myspace" profile.

Ciao.

[Kuciwalker]

fez has returned

[Imran Siddiqui]

Faded Glory, our savior, has brought back Diss and Fez! All praise to him!

[joncha]

Fez! We missed you!

[Lawrence of Arabia]

what shoddy reporting by the nytimes. Switzerland has legalized gay marriage, and gives them full benefits.

[joncha]

According to the Associated Press:

Switzerland: Its largest city, Zurich, started recognizing registered gay couples last July. Geneva also recognizes same-sex couples, although grants them fewer rights. Swiss authorities are considering whether to introduce a national law to harmonize treatment throughout the country.