Why the American media are so pathologically anti-Russian

[Ned]

Originally posted by Commy
Okay, so let's face it. Since one out of three or four Americans have guns, and since the US has one of the largest militaries, beaten only by China and Indonesia, and since America has like 8 nuclear subs armed with nukes on them, the odds of even the whole world defeating the american military AND the state militias AND the 70 million american civilians that own shotguns and have nothing to lose...are well...pretty slim, to say the least...not the mention that the world powers would have been nuked first...

So maybe the rest of the world has 6 billion people. And maybe only 1 billion of them, at the most, even have guns in their houses, i mean, real guns...and the chance of all of them wanting to attack america, much less getting about to america, are slim to none...never find the nuclear fallout...

What's your point?

[Heresson]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

Persecution? As in state approved pogroms? No, of course not, this is Poland not Germany or Russia. Under Pilsudski there was an outreach to Jews as well as to other minorities. There were boycotts of Jewish businesses, but these were privately organized. They received state support after the coup in '36 (date?) when the Pilsudski regime was replaced. In that period there were subtle attempts to hurt the Jews economically, like nationalizing parts of the retail sector where jews had been dominant. I can look for more sites - but really, this stuff isnt that mysterious, its well known history.

Lord of the mark, in 1926 (not 36) there was a coup, but it was not one in which Pilsudski's regime was replaced, but actually one in which his regime was established.
Perhaps there were nationalisations in which Jewish owners lost something, but the same I could claim collectivisation in Ukraine was anti-Polish, because Poles were overrepresented as landowners.
Boycott of Jewish buiseness was, as far as I know, an action of national-democratic party, which actually had very very little to do with Pilsudski (who was originally socialist).

Btw, I was refering to his monumental work- World War II. This is where he called Poland a greedy hyena. In case if you didn't guess it already -he wrote this book after WW2.

I'd have never guessed that
What did He refer to, specifically?

Truth hurts?

Seeing how much You defend against it, it must hurt You a lot.

They killed themselves, but didn't surender to your "liberators". That makes your obvious lie about "liberation" of Smolensk a total bullsh!t. Whom you tried to liberate there, dead bodies? It's the same kind of liberation Americans are trying to impose now in Iraq - conquerberation, exterminabiration and lieberation.

Who killed themselves - the Russian garrison, or the entire population of the city, huh?

To save their pity asses.

And right they did, as Russians murdered most of them after they've surrendered.

Bull****. He never said he believes in this Goebels's fake. Anyhow, I have to repeat it once again- Putin makes history, not study history. He has plenty of other things to do and his value as historian is probably pretty low.

As is yours

I would not believe a single word of the chief of Hitler's propaganda. Esp. when he tries to whitewash nazis by blaming Soviets.

I repeat: if He'd said something true, You still wouldn't have believed that?
If He's said "my name is Joseph Goebbels",
You wouldn't believe Him, right?

What Gulag? Once again- Gulag is the Glavnoe Upravlenie LAGerei (General Deportment of Prisons). It's state's institution whose duty is to manage and supervise prisons. Every country on this planent has such institution.

Serb... I beg You, please, learn some history.

By calling them conquerors?

Weren't they?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson



I'd have never guessed that
What did He refer to, specifically?

He wrote that during division of Czechoslovakia Poland acted like geedy hyena. Hitler had to send some of his elite troops to prevent Poland grabbing more of Czechoslovakia for itself.

Seeing how much You defend against it, it must hurt You a lot.

Me? It's you who have to defend.

Who killed themselves - the Russian garrison, or the entire population of the city, huh?

Everyone. There were about 2000 of defenders vs 28 000 Polish troops. The siege lasted 20 months and when Poles finally broke into the city (thank to betryal of one of the boyars), remaining defenders blocked themselves in church and then blow it up. Everyone died including children.

And right they did, as Russians murdered most of them after they've surrendered.

Blah-blah-blah. Polish deenders of Moscow, my ass. F*cking invaders.

As is yours

FOF.

I repeat: if He'd said something true, You still wouldn't have believed that?
If He's said "my name is Joseph Goebbels",
You wouldn't believe Him, right?

I will. And this is not the case. Here he says that -" it weren't we, it were them". I will not believe to him in such case.

Serb... I beg You, please, learn some history.

I am familiar with your Western version of history of the USSR. Basically, it's just a combination of blatant lie, stupid fakes and silly propaganda. And surely it has nothing common with real history of the USSR.

Weren't they?

Oh great, first you say that you are thankfull to them, then you call them conquerers. Great. Keep up the good work Mr. "I have no idea what I really meant".

[Serb]

Hey, Heresson, eat this:

Lies Concerning the History of the Soviet Union
By Mario Sousa
Member of the
Communist Party Marxist-Leninist Revolutionaries
Sweden
KPML(r)

From Hitler to Hearst, from Conquest to Solzhenitsyn

The history of the millions of people who were allegedly incarcerated and died in the labour camps of the Soviet Union and as a result of starvation during Stalin's time.

In this world we live in, who can avoid hearing the terrible stories of suspected death and murders in the gulag labour camps of the Soviet Union? Who can avoid the stories of the millions who starved to death and the millions of oppositionists executed in the Soviet Union during Stalin's time? In the capitalist world these stories are repeated over and over again in books, newspapers, on the radio and television, and in films, and the mythical numbers of millions of victims of socialism have increased by leaps and bounds in the last 50 years.

But where in fact do these stories, and these figures, come from? Who is behind all this?

And another question: what truth is there in these stories? And what information is lying in the archives of the Soviet Union, formerly secret but opened up to historical research by Gorbachev in 1989?

The rest of the story is here:

http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc9912/lies.htm

I doubt you read this article anyway. Keep living in your phantasy world.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Serb

He wrote that during division of Czechoslovakia Poland acted like geedy hyena. Hitler had to send some of his elite troops to prevent Poland grabbing more of Czechoslovakia for itself.

Not true. Poland took small part of earlier disputed areas. Compare size os Spisz and Orawa to the territory taken... It's like less than 3% of it.

Me? It's you who have to defend.

What do You know? You're witty, Serb.

Everyone. There were about 2000 of defenders vs 28 000 Polish troops. The siege lasted 20 months and when Poles finally broke into the city (thank to betryal of one of the boyars), remaining defenders blocked themselves in church and then blow it up. Everyone died including children.

I doubt Poles conquered empty city walls...
And I doubt it were the mothers who ignited the explosives...
Some patriotic propaganda.

I will. And this is not the case. Here he says that -" it weren't we, it were them". I will not believe to him in such case.

Why? Couldn't that be truth? How come your own presidents accept this truth, and You do not?

Oh great, first you say that you are thankfull to them, then you call them conquerers. Great. Keep up the good work Mr. "I have no idea what I really meant".

Life is not black and white, Serb. It may be a shock for You, I know.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson


Not true. Poland took small part of earlier disputed areas. Compare size os Spisz and Orawa to the territory taken... It's like less than 3% of it.

Blah...blah...blah... After division of Czechoslovakia Poland increased its industrial capacity with 150%.

What do You know? You're witty, Serb.

FOF.

I doubt Poles conquered empty city walls...
And I doubt it were the mothers who ignited the explosives...

They fought till last man standing. And from their point of view to blow-up themselves and their children was a better end then to be tortued to death by Polish liberators.

Some patriotic propaganda.

Nope, only plain facts.

Why? Couldn't that be truth? How come your own presidents accept this truth, and You do not?

What presidents? Gorbachev and Yeltsin are not my presidents they are traitors of Russia, ****s who destroyed the USSR and uncle Sam's whores. If any of these morons ever said that they believe in Goebels story, why the hell anyone should trust them? I don't trust a single word of them. They are liars. I prefer to trust archives and sence of logic.

Life is not black and white, Serb. It may be a shock for You, I know.

Read the article, then we will talk.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Serb

Blah...blah...blah... After division of Czechoslovakia Poland increased its industrial capacity with 150%.

Overexagerration, but Zaolzie was indeed importal industrial region.
That's exactly why Tchechoslovakia attacked Poland and took it by force during Polish-Soviet war
The region had a large large Polish majority.

They fought till last man standing.

The city citizens?

And from their point of view to blow-up themselves and their children was a better end then to be tortued to death by Polish liberators.

Uh?

What presidents? Gorbachev and Yeltsin are not my presidents they are traitors of Russia, ****s who destroyed the USSR and uncle Sam's whores. If any of these morons ever said that they believe in Goebels story, why the hell anyone should trust them? I don't trust a single word of them. They are liars. I prefer to trust archives and sence of logic.

Why do You think they accepted this version, if it wasn't true? Because they HATED RUSSIA, right?

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb
I doubt you read this article anyway. Keep living in your phantasy world.

Sergei, have you yourself read the article? The part where the author states what party he belongs to? The website for the re-creation of USSR as a socialist state? The baseless links one source to another? I thought you were better than this... How the hell would that Sousa fellow explain where ~150 000 of Lithuanian people that were shipped to Siberia and never came back are now? Teh evil Western propaganda perhaps?

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Serb
Communist Party Marxist-Leninist Revolutionaries
Sweden
KPML(r)

Clearly the best source for unbiased information

[Saras]

Serb, you're turning into a sort of "holocaust denier"! Snap out of it already!

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson


Overexagerration, but Zaolzie was indeed importal industrial region.
That's exactly why Tchechoslovakia attacked Poland and took it by force during Polish-Soviet war
The region had a large large Polish majority.

Like 5% or something.

The city citizens?

Yes.

Why do You think they accepted this version, if it wasn't true? Because they HATED RUSSIA, right?

Right, because both of them are US whores and this was the part of prapaganda campaign to destroy the USSR.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by notyoueither

The west must not make an enemy of Putin

Why? On the off chance that your antique missile fleet will function after years of neglect?

I for one would like to see better relations between Moscow and the west for no other reason then because its smart to be friends with your neighbors. Russia has resources (such as oil and metals) which are going to be increasingly valuable on global markets while the west has capital and technological know how which can help Russia. The big problem I see is Putin tends to act a bit dictatorially sometimes such as with the various journalists he arrested, the shutting down of nearly all nongovernment controlled media, the nationalization of various companies (Yukos is simply the best well known), and the selective enforcement of laws. Everyone wants Russia to do well and to mature in to a fully functioning modern democracy like the rest of Europe but people worry that maybe a leap to far.

Right now Russia is a young Democracy and it isn't clear if the national institutions are strong enough to prevent a dictator from installing himself or even to stop an especially popular President from abusing his power against political rivals.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras


Sergei, have you yourself read the article? The part where the author states what party he belongs to? The website for the re-creation of USSR as a socialist state? The baseless links one source to another? I thought you were better than this... How the hell would that Sousa fellow explain where ~150 000 of Lithuanian people that were shipped to Siberia and never came back are now? Teh evil Western propaganda perhaps?

Then why, during my entire life, I've never meet any Lithuanian or decsendents of those Lithuanians here in Siberia? 150 000 it's a lot of people. Considering they were deported here they should have had children. Where are they?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
Then this just means that not everything revolves around the issue of Iraq.

For the Rush Limbaugh listeners it does but luckily must people are able not stupid enough to believe that obvious propaganda.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid


Clearly the best source for unbiased information

It's still better than The Holy Fascist Union of the Western Reactioneres.