Should there be a Kurdish State?

[Ubergeek]

The question isn't even "Do they desrve a state" -- sure, in the abstract, they "deserve" a state as much as anybody else. The question is, or ought to be, "Is the world willing to pay the price necessary to give the Kurds and state and then spend the rest of forever defending it against the enemies who would destroy it at the first chance?" When you put these things in the context of the real world, with all the real world pressures and the history of the region, such cavalier propositions as "This or that ethnic group ought to have their own state" become infinitely less appealing.

[gsmoove23]

No group "deserves" a state. They deserve not to be oppressed by their government. You can put pressure on their respective governments or you can carve a new state and invest huge amounts only to find that they are oppressing some other group. There is no reason to assume that one course of action is more just then the other.

[GePap]

Yeah, we know how ever state based on an ethnicity becomes a shinning model for democracy.....

Once turkey becomes a democracy that respects all it citizens, the problems of the Kurds are over. Their plight is not based on not having Kurdish leaders, but having leaders that oppress them. If they had a Kurdish dictator, they would really not be in any better position.

[Bereta_Eder]

sure they would

turkey kills them cause theyre kurds.

a kurdish leader would not do that.

[Bereta_Eder]

and want the right to speak kurdish, name their children with kurdish names, etc etc

not just for being kurds

[Ubergeek]

No, a Kurdish dictator would slaughter the Turkomen because they're Turkomen and the Arabs because they're Arabs. Big improvement.

[Bereta_Eder]

there arent turkomen there


its a turkish fabrication to try and invade the place

[GePap]

Of course a Kurdish leader would not ill Kurds cause they are kurds..they would kill them cause they are part of an opposition political group. We all know people don;t mind getting persecuted for their political beiefs, only for their ethnic identities.

Hey, if the Kurds get lucky, maybe a bunch of Colonels can take control?

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Azazel
yes, The kurds deserve a state, and some of it should be taken from Turkey. That's in the ideal situation.

right, because that hasn't caused problems before.

i'd like to see what the Iraqi government gets cooked up into. maybe the Kurds will have a place there.

[Ubergeek]

Well, Paitkis, all I can say to that is that your statement doesn't dovetail with anything else I have ever seen, heard, or read on the topic. Given that your statement is at odds with everything else out there right now, can you provide a source for your claim?

[My Wife Hates CIV]

why not?? who would most be against it? besides turkey i guess.

[Bereta_Eder]

which claim?

[Sandman]

Hell, no. The world needs less ethnic states, not more.

[Ubergeek]

Turkey would be against it, as well as Syria, Iran and the rest of Iraq. In other words, every neighbor Kurdistan would have.

[Ubergeek]

Paitkis, I was referring to the claim that no ethnic Turks live in the Iraqi portion of Kurdistan.