Should there be a Kurdish State?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Rothy, the only problem is that the Turkish Cypriots may have something to say about that.

And I'd like to see you take Kurdish lands from Turkey .

[Pekka]

I'm all for it. Kurds need their own place like the rest of us, that really is theirs. I don't support taking lands from Turkey though, since it would cost great instability which would be unnecessary there, like they don't have enough problems. But it'll happen sooner or later, so better sooner.

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW every Kurd seems to be fighting... Everyone...

From young




to old

[Ming]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And I'd like to see you take Kurdish lands from Turkey .

I agree... that just isn't going to happen. But I think the Kurds might settle for Northern Iraq... And it's going to drive the Turks absolutely crazy....

[Japher]

Japher,
there are other ways of getting your oil to its destination without fighting a war...

It's called...TRADE...

I understand that, but I don't think that it would be a far fetched notion that war will occur because of the future Kurdistan being landlocked and sitting on a goldmine.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Rothy, the only problem is that the Turkish Cypriots may have something to say about that.

Actually they said it loud... but noone listened to them.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Japher


I understand that, but I don't think that it would be a far fetched notion that war will occur because of the future Kurdistan being landlocked and sitting on a goldmine.

A port is not "salvation" if you can't protect it militarily too. And since you can't have sea trade while having your frigates firing at the enemy (needs to be some kind of calm) it is almost the same as not having a port. If you have good relations with even one neighboring country which has a port, you're ok.

[Worthingtons]

Quite correct Imran.... but it would make better viewing on TV than the formality that was Iraq.

[Japher]

ALOT of Ifs there... I'm not saying that the Kurds have a hard time getting a long with their neighbors... oh, yeah, wait... that is exactly what I am saying. And why not the neighbors are all the same way too; proud.

[Pekka]

I'm also all for them getting N. Iraq lands, not Turkey lands. And if Turkey has something to complain about it, be my guest. I think their opinion should not be deciding factor. But no lands from Turkey. Then it would be too complicated and bloody.

[Bereta_Eder]

they're quite proud




but it has been doing fine so far economically wise.

[Shi Huangdi]

No, the Kurds should not be able to secede. Shias are already a majority in Iraq as is, we need as many non shias as possible to counteract that.

[Bereta_Eder]

That doesn't make any sense.

[germanos]

Originally posted by Japher


I understand that, but I don't think that it would be a far fetched notion that war will occur because of the future Kurdistan being landlocked and sitting on a goldmine.

You could be right there, but I don't see why it will be the Kurds fighting for a port. It is more likely that they will be attacked for the oil they will posses.

It is such a shame that you put down the rights of the kurds for self-governance, be it a state or other form of self-governance by saying they will start a fight with their neighbours for a port.

And in fact the oil from northern Iraq has been finding its way to the worlds markets for the past 12 years via land-routes in Turkey and Syria, so I don't see why it could not continue. And there are pipelines as well, but now blocked through the UN sanctions.

Kurdish self-governance

[germanos]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
No, the Kurds should not be able to secede. Shias are already a majority in Iraq as is, we need as many non shias as possible to counteract that.

Devide and Rule
Operation "Iraqi Freedom" is allready roaring its ugly head...

Way to go Shi, Iraq is not liberated yet, and allready you are starting to point at the next group of people that needs to be targeted and be excluded from their own choices.