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**Ned** · April 10, 2003, 00:27

Serb, I based my opinion on Siro's post, and on the numerous posts on the last war news taken from irak.war.ru.

Do you guys in Russia get CNN at least?

**Serb** · April 10, 2003, 00:52

www.iraqwar.ru it's PRIVATE site. It has no connection to any Russian TV channel, paper or news agency. It's just privately owned site and owners of this site has right to post everything they wish. Sure it's biased, but American sources are biased also. So, why if one biased source tells something what you like it's OK, while if another biased source tells what you don't like it's a sign of not free media, oppression of free speech and brainwashing campaign of Kremlin, as Siro discribed it?

**Serb** · April 10, 2003, 01:04

Originally posted by Asher

Perhaps in Russia "not closed" == "The Americans did it".

But that's not how it works everywhere else.

Perhaps in US/Canada if some Russian diplomats were wounded from 5.56 M-16 rifles when they were in diplomatic convoy which was under Russian flag and when American HQ were informed about route of convoy means that "Russians just lost, it's their fault".

Unless you want to provide links from a credible source talking about how the Americans were the shooters, why don't you refrain from saying it?

I told you I saw interview with EYEWITNESSES of this event- Russian ambassador and Russian reporter. They said it was Americans, bullets which were extracted from wounded and which were found in cars- it's 5.56 M-16 ammunition. WTF else do you need?

Are you ashamed, then, that a bunch of girls kicked your ass in Olympic hockey?

I knew you will say this.
So, yes I do feel ashemed, but at least we kicked your asses during last World championship.

**Asher** · April 10, 2003, 01:07

Originally posted by Serb
Perhaps in US/Canada if some Russian diplomats were wounded from 5.56 M-16 rifles when they were in diplomatic convoy which was under Russian flag and when American HQ were informed about route of convoy means that "Russians just lost, it's their fault".

I've yet to see any reliable links with that information.

I told you I saw interview with EYEWITNESSES of this event- Russian ambassador and Russian reporter. They said it was Americans, bullets which were extracted from wounded and which were found in cars- it's 5.56 M-16 ammunition. WTF else do you need?

I've yet to see any reliable links with that information.

I'm not saying it's not possible that US forces shot it up, I'm saying you need to back up the **** you're saying with reliable sources. You've got two things to back up:
1) M-16s were the guns used to attack
2) The Russian convoy was right where they said they'd be

So, yes I do feel ashemed, but at least we kicked your asses during last World championship.

Who cares, the Olympics is where all the true athletes from the nations compete. The other ones are crapshoots with sub-par players on all sides.

BTW, I seem to recall the Russians (and most other terms) complaining heavily during the Olympics because the American team played a very physical hockey game. Russia didn't like how physical it was.

**The Vagabond** · April 10, 2003, 01:18

Originally posted by Asher
I've yet to see any reliable links with that information.

'Reliable'='Western'?

Throughout this discussion you have been acting as an arrogant Western bastard.

By the way, what a stupid signature is that? It doesn't make any sense.

**Asher** · April 10, 2003, 01:21

Originally posted by The Vagabond
'Reliable'='Western'?

Throught this discussion you have been acting as an arrogant Western bastard.

'Reliable' == something that's not Russian and has a reputation.

AP, Reuters, BBC, CBC, something like that...

By the way, what a stupid signature is that? It doesn't make any sense.

You don't find it amusing that a Russian thinks it's a good idea to call artillery to fire on yourself?

**The Mad Monk** · April 10, 2003, 01:29

Originally posted by Serb

I doubt you seen anything from Russian media. I doubt you saw any Russian TV news. I guess your opinion about Russian media based on Sirotnikov's claims.

My view on Russian news is based on what I've seen in the topped news threads (all three of them), and on what I've dug up since then (some of which I posted in the topped news threads).

My view is, there's something seriously 'off' about a lot of it, and I am beginning to see how you came to acquire your own, special point of view.

**Serb** · April 10, 2003, 01:31

Thanks Vagabond

Originally posted by Asher

I've yet to see any reliable links with that information.

I've yet to see any reliable links with that information.

I'm not saying it's not possible that US forces shot it up, I'm saying you need to back up the **** you're saying with reliable sources. You've got two things to back up:
1) M-16s were the guns used to attack
2) The Russian convoy was right where they said they'd be

I said, it was many times in TV NEWS here. Why I should bother to find you a link in English about that? If you read Russian I'll find you a couple.

Who cares, the Olympics is where all the true athletes from the nations compete. The other ones are crapshoots with sub-par players on all sides.

So, World championships are not true sport competitions and Russian sources are not true sources, right?

I guess players of your junior hockey team would be pleased to hear your opinion about that. I though you guys had great hopes about your team, consider how you supported your team during final match.

BTW, I seem to recall the Russians (and most other terms) complaining heavily during the Olympics because the American team played a very physical hockey game. Russia didn't like how physical it was.

Btw, are you ashamed that your uber-mega Canadian warriors lost World championship among juniors which was in Canada

not so long ago, to Russian junior team again

, just like previous championship?

Btw, top five players of this team were from my home city team which currently fight only for third place in Russian championship.
How do you feel knowing that your junior team is beaten again and again by good, but not the best players of Russian league?

**The Vagabond** · April 10, 2003, 01:32

I've never seen you in such an anti-Russian mood before, Asher. What did affect you?

**The Vagabond** · April 10, 2003, 01:35

Originally posted by Serb
Btw, top five players of this team was from my home city team which currently fight only for third place in Russian championship.

It's a pity Avangard lost. Avangard-Loko would have been a much more interesting final.

**The Mad Monk** · April 10, 2003, 01:37

Originally posted by Serb
Thanks Vagabond

Btw, are you ashamed that your uber-mega Canadian warriors lost World championship among juniors which was in Canada

not so long ago, to Russian junior team again

, just like previous championship?

Btw, top five players of this team was from my home city team which currently fight only for third place in Russian championship.
How do you feel knowing that your junior team are beaten again and again by good, but not the best players of Russian league?

'Juniors'? Is that like the Little League in baseball?

**Asher** · April 10, 2003, 01:39

Originally posted by Serb
Thanks Vagabond

Btw, are you ashamed that your uber-mega Canadian warriors lost World championship among juniors which was in Canada

not so long ago, to Russian junior team again

, just like previous championship?

Btw, top five players of this team was from my home city team which currently fight only for third place in Russian championship.
How do you feel knowing that your junior team are beaten again and again by good, but not the best players of Russian league?

I feel pretty damn good, because all of your players come over here to play because Russia is such a ****hole of a country.

Not that it matters, of course, in the only hockey worldwide title that matters, Canada owns both men's and women's.

Originally posted by The Vagabond
I've never seen you in such an anti-Russian mood before, Asher. What did affect you?

Behavior of Russians on this board, behavior of Russian diplomats, behavior of Russian businesses.

**Asher** · April 10, 2003, 01:40

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
'Juniors'? Is that like the Little League in baseball?

Yes.

It's a big deal to Russia, they finally won something. Don't let them know that no one cares about the Juniors.

They'd have you believe they're more important than the Olympics.

**The Vagabond** · April 10, 2003, 01:47

Asher, I don't think your new style fits you well. You seemed to be a much nicer guy than that.

**Asher** · April 10, 2003, 01:49

Originally posted by The Vagabond
Asher, I don't think your new style fits you well. You seemed to be a much nicer guy than that.

It's the same style, it's just that different people end up on the wrong side of the barrel as events warrant...

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