Russian TV in the service of Iraqi Information Ministry

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by red_mustard
hah...after what just happened to iraq, do you think anyone of those countries would have the balls to strike at a US-Sponsored Kurdistan

Given that such an event is likely to restart the civil war Turkey was/is fighting with the Kurds in thier territory, it's well within the realm of possibility.

[Az]

Serb: hvatit mozgi ebat. kogda ostatki irakskih soldat bili nazvani partizanami, ya chut ne umer so smehu.

[Eli]

[muxec]

Azazel, what is your source of information?

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Hmmm, American troops are in Baghdad in about 2 weeks. That's a failure?

Then again, Pattycakes still believes the Iraqi Information Minister that the Iraqis still have Baghdad Airport. One wonders what drugs he is taken. I mean, really, there is a anti-Americanism and then there is anti-Americanism.

pattycakes - i am not familiar with the expression. probably describes somebody that does not shout yee=haw while blowing up buildings they do not like?

as for failure...there were only 2 ways in which americans could win this war:
1) you go in and find WMD
2) cheering citizens throw flowers at their 'liberators'

since the second well, less than materialized, the first option is being kicked in and i am sure that some fabricated WMD site will be done by CIA dudes. heck, they have to make this look good after being fooled on many things by israeli secret service

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Ned
Paiktis, do you even admit the possibility that the US is not targeting civilians?

Regardless, the kids have been hurt. We need to end this war as quickly as possible to end the carnage [by Saddam's forces against his own people].

BTW, Paiktis, are you pleased the Turks have lowered their status in the world due to their failure to support a Northern front?

ned, there is the following problem. the losing side is the only one charged with war crimes. milosevic (who i hate profoundly) is currently on trial for, among other things, shelling of dubrovnik. according to recent british terminology, it was a 'legitimate military target'. croatians had less arms and retreated into city. it was shelled. either milosevic AND bush are guilty or none of them are.
i have no problems with any standard being applied, but i have problems with too many standards being applied selectively

[Jack the Bodiless]

as for failure...there were only 2 ways in which americans could win this war:
1) you go in and find WMD
2) cheering citizens throw flowers at their 'liberators'

since the second well, less than materialized...

It's happening in Basra.

...Well, not with flowers, but the liberators are being welcomed.

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Jack the Bodiless

It's happening in Basra.

...Well, not with flowers, but the liberators are being welcomed.

you people just miss the point. in 99 if i had a choice of fighting nato ground invasion or rising against milosevic i would have chosen the first option. just like people rally around bush, they rally around saddam too in times of war. even a moron enjoys support during the war...

[Jack the Bodiless]

Um, what exactly IS your point?

You don't think it's likely that the citizens of Basra would welcome the "invaders", therefore those crowds are: ... actors? ... Computer-generated images?

[Arrian]

pattycakes - i am not familiar with the expression. probably describes somebody that does not shout yee=haw while blowing up buildings they do not like?

FYI (for your information), LaRusso, Pattycakes = a mocking way to address Paiktis.

-Arrian

[DanS]

Computer-generated images?

Bingo!

[Az]

Azazel, what is your source of information?

BBC.co.uk ( since they removed it from the air now ), SKY "supporting the troops" news, french media (!), reuters.com.

that it, pretty much.

[Bereta_Eder]

Pattycakes was thought up by GP, a person whom we always disagreed and always had big laughs.

I really like the expression

Mocking is in the eye of the beholder although it is a bit funny to use that as a way of ridicule
what can I say... some people...

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by Sava
Here's an example of American media reports:

HUGE STORES OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS FOUND... LARGE MASS GRAVESITES FOUND!! PROTESTORS KILL THOUSANDS IN VIOLENT RIOTS!!
our earlier reports were false, sorry

POPPYCOCK.

Maybe people like you get a sick sense of pleasure out distorting facts on various anonymous forums across the Internet, but I do not, and I am speaking right now professionally as a journalist.

I watched the news reports on television and, even better, had access to the *raw* news copy that comes directly to us from Iraq. Nowhere in any of that was it *ever* downplayed that the INITIAL findings of chemical weapons and/or residue might not hold true. If anything, it was hammered home, time and time again, that the *field tests* were *not* the be all and end all of testing. They are but the *beginning* of testing, and not even all of them agreed that it was chemical weaponry/residue that was found. Further testing was conducted, and that has concluded that a good deal of the *initial* readings were wrong — in many cases, the chemical "weapons" were pesticide residue (you see, the testing equipment is so sensitive that even ordinary bug repellant can show up as a chemical "weapon"). Even more testing will be conducted back in the United States and, I believe, a European lab before *final* results are officially recognized.

Regarding mass grave sites, they've found a building in Iraq containing the remains of hundreds of people. They have yet to figure out just when these people died, except that it happened long before Gulf War II.

This was *all* in the media reports I've watched and read. Why you missed it, I'll never know.

Gatekeeper

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by Ned
DinoDoc, I think Turkey now has a real problem. They have few or no friends in Europe. We may have a formal alliance with Turkey due to Nato, but I can guarantee you they no longer have a friend in the US. Where does this leave them. Alone in the world without influence. If they need help financially or need diplomatic support in a dispute, they can no longer count on support from anyone.

Turkey really screwed up.

I disagree. What Turkey did was democracy. I can't even begin to count how many times the U.S. Congress has thrown a wrench into a president's personal foreign policy. What Turkey's legislators did was no different, and how the result came about was due to democracy in action.

I admit that the outcome didn't please me, but, hey, it came about due to legislators exercising their votes. They're not a rubber stamp parliament, y'know. Those men and women voted, likely, based on the opinions they heard from their constituents.

Happens all the time in the United States and elsewhere in the Western world.

Gatekeeper