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[Asher]

Originally posted by Serb
I feel pity for you. It must be horrible to realize that your country was so unimportant for world's history.

Not at all, I don't have the inferiority complex about my nation that so many Russians (and admittedly, Canadians) have on this forum. I don't need to convince myself about how important my country is, because I don't care.

Sure it's much more interesting, because during this "screwing over a country" process they "occasionally" made it super power.

Which they used so well...

[Ming]

I'll ignore that as a cross post...

BUT ENOUGH YOU TWO. If not, I have an easy way to chill you guys out...

[Serb]

Originally posted by Asher


Of course the Canadian players which are forced to play in Russia suck. Why else would someone play hockey in Russia?

The same reason why they play anywhere- $$$ A lot of $$$.
The coach of my home city team is Ivan Glinka- the guy who was coach of Czeh national team during Olympic games in Nagano. Patera and Prohazka were players of this team. You think Olympic chapions are low-grade players?

And I think you're showing your ignorance about hockey -- you think a player won the Stanley Cup?

Of course not. Entire team wins the cup, not single player. I just had no idea how to said this on English. What should I said something like this- "He was the member of team wich won last Stanley Cap"

I have no idea who Irzhy Shlegar is.

I'll find you a photo.

(People wonder why I have a thing for Russians -- I know four of you on here and you're all so incredibly irrational and nationalistic, even moreso than Americans)

You get the idea about Russians.

[Ming]

The next post by either of you earns a restriction.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ming
I'll ignore that as a cross post...

BUT ENOUGH YOU TWO. If not, I have an easy way to chill you guys out...

A sixpack?

But seriously though, I don't think we were verging on a flamewar. I for one am quite calm.

But I recognize it is a threadjack, so I'll stop and apologize.

Edit: This was posted before I saw Ming's most recent post.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ming
I'll ignore that as a cross post...

BUT ENOUGH YOU TWO. If not, I have an easy way to chill you guys out...

What's wrong with our friendly trolling?

Edit: This was posted before I saw Ming's most recent post.

*runs away in panic

[Az]

I think Ming has much too power here. IMO, his talents would be of much more use if he spent this time posting in the Babe Thread.

[muxec]

Ming, please dont restrict them.
Ming, Serb please dont forget about private messages.

About the topic: Yeh, Serb you can hear CNN and BBC news in English. Right? But must people on Russia do not know English and have no money for sattelite antenes. Right? So it makes Russian society antiamerican. The Russian freedom of speech is ZHirinovsky saying on TV to Bush "luchshe vmeste ebanjom po Tbilissi" ("We would better **** Tbilissi together").

Serb, look at advertisments on Russian websites (for example by agava banner system). What do you see? You see banners that say "Canada- luchshee mesto dlya nastojacchego russkogo ili evreja. Imigriruj seichas!!" ("Canada is the best place for real Russians and Jews. Imigrate now!!"). How can you comment it? Canada is the top of the world. You envy Denmark, Canada and Australia. You have no future: according to statistics 15% of your teenagers are drug addicts. I askesd people what do you plan to do being adult. 50% of girls say i want to be a proffesional whore and 75% of boys say i want to be a bandit. Dont you think that it's very simbolic? Yes i respect Russia, it's great culture, it's my culture. But culture is property of minority. How many percent of your youngsters had read Dostoyevsky's "Prestuplenie i nakazanie"??

Russia is country of late pride. Of late hopes. Your sportcommenter commenting olympics said "Íàø ñïîðòñìåí âîø¸ë â äâàäöàòüñåì¸ðêó ëó÷øèõ" ("Our sportsman had entred top-27"). It's situation in whole Russia now. Your polliticans steal billions and your pensioners count kopeyka's.

Russian people admired Clinton for ****ing Monica. Thay said that Eltzin can not do even this.

To Asher: You are right. I must also add, that only rich country with centures of democratic traditions can afford freedom of speech.
Is Canada still halfcolony of England?

[muxec]

To Azazel: do you plan to imigrate to Canada?

[Serb]

Originally posted by muxec
About the topic: Yeh, Serb you can hear CNN and BBC news in English. Right?

To be honest only BBC news. Local institute of foreign languages has it's own TV chanel where they show that kind of crap.

But must people on Russia do not know English and have no money for sattelite antenes. Right? So it makes Russian society antiamerican.

1) I do have money for sattelite antenna, but I don't need it.
2) Young generation knows English.
3) Anyhow, I don't see how lack of knowledge of English language/sattelite dishes could make anyone anti-American.

The Russian freedom of speech is ZHirinovsky saying on TV to Bush "luchshe vmeste ebanjom po Tbilissi" ("We would better **** Tbilissi together").

This guy is just a clown. Do you want a bet? I bet he and his pahetic party will not pass into next Duma.

Serb, look at advertisments on Russian websites (for example by agava banner system). What do you see? You see banners that say "Canada- luchshee mesto dlya nastojacchego russkogo ili evreja. Imigriruj seichas!!" ("Canada is the best place for real Russians and Jews. Imigrate now!!"). How can you comment it?

How?
"Chto Russkomu horosho- to nemzu smert"- Old Russian saying.

Canada is the top of the world. You envy Denmark, Canada and Australia. You have no future: according to statistics 15% of your teenagers are drug addicts.

15%? Where did you get it?
You know recently I saw the movie "Asylum" about British teenagers. So, in comparsion what I saw in this movie our local drug addicts just bunch of dilettantes.

I askesd people what do you plan to do being adult. 50% of girls say i want to be a proffesional whore and 75% of boys say i want to be a bandit.

It's not surprising.
You are in Israel now, right?

Dont you think that it's very simbolic? Yes i respect Russia, it's great culture, it's my culture. But culture is property of minority. How many percent of your youngsters had read Dostoyevsky's "Prestuplenie i nakazanie"??

It's still in school literature course, so I guess everyone who finished the school.

Russia is country of late pride. Of late hopes. Your sportcommenter commenting olympics said "Íàø ñïîðòñìåí âîø¸ë â äâàäöàòüñåì¸ðêó ëó÷øèõ" ("Our sportsman had entred top-27"). It's situation in whole Russia now.

During last winter Olympic we were fourth and only because Yanks stolen some our gold medals to gain their third place.

Your polliticans steal billions and your pensioners count kopeyka's.

Don't worry. When my generation will rule this country will hang those bastards. j/k

Russian people admired Clinton for ****ing Monica.

News to me.

Thay said that Eltzin can not do even this.

He is sick elder. What have you expected?

Is Canada still halfcolony of England?

YES.

[muxec]

I askesd people what do you plan to do being adult. 50% of girls say i want to be a proffesional whore and 75% of boys say i want to be a bandit.
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It's not surprising.
You are in Israel now, right?

Yes your "bad plan" rating contradicts Israel. Only about 2% of students of my school want to be bandits in spite of my school in motherland.

How?
"Chto Russkomu horosho- to nemzu smert"- Old Russian saying.

Asher, pay attention, Serb said, that Canada is wrong place for German people... What did he mean?

[Panag]

Originally posted by Serb


Bull****. I don't know where you get it, but I suspect it was work of your Israel chanel 9 (or whatever you call it) editors. I saw the interview with Peter Arnet on Russian ORT TV channel and there was no "voice over" only translation of asked questions and consider what I heard he said, it was very accurate translation.



Funny, yesterday I saw interview with this journalist and he said that he is absolutely sure that it was American forces who opened fire on them. Also, I saw interview with Russian ambassador who said the same. Also, I know that holes in cars were made by 5,56 bullets. Also, I know that two bullets extracted from wounded were bullets from M-16 too.
So no, it weren't Americans who wounded our diplomats.

hi ,

your bull**** has to be put in the can , "peter" is know working for a belgian (!!) tv station , ....

and no , we are not in it or between it , neither above or below , ......

since you know somethings that other at centcom dont seem to know , care to share who was shooting with your M-16 , ......

5.56 or 223 is very common in those parts of the world since a couple decades , ..... care to share the lenght of the shell casing with us , ......

cause huh , the russians made a couple guns with 5.56 , .... and then they sold them , ..... to one saddam , .......

oh , yeah , maybe you should read the statement from the russian embassy in iraq , ...... but okay , its a bit difficult to read , its not online all the time , .....

bye

[The Vagabond]

Muxec, do you seriously claim that there is no freedom of speech and free press in Russia? It's sad that Russian Israelis take part in perpetuating this myth.

[Az]

To Azazel: do you plan to imigrate to Canada?

No way. I like it here. Do you?

[Sirotnikov]

It's funny to hear this from an Isreali about "thousands slaughtered in Chechnya". I thought we were together in this, no?

Vagabond - I'm against you. I'm against your media.

Your media was never fair on Israel, and it is now very not fair on USA.

Don't be so appalled, Siro. Just don't trust CNN and SKY too much either. Truth lies somewhere in between.

While CNN does present some amount of bias, it is usually (though not as often as one would like) factually correct.

I've yet to see anything to detract from SKY's perfect record. They deserve every prize they get. They are accurate, incredibly fast and overall feature the most objective and diverse stories.

This when compared to BBC (anti usa israel) and CNN (pro usa, moodswings about israel).


And I'm sorry if you can't see it, but my family and me are immigrants from the former SU. And we follow the news through TV, websites and newspapers and can compare them to other news sources.

While there's no place to call your media completely wrong, it is often very inaccurate, usually because of bias than sloppy journalism.

And IIRC after government controlled GAZPROM took control over NTV, you have no real independant press.