The Star Wars vs Star Trek Thread; because it's been awhile.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
If one can transport dead objects, why can't one transport live objects? They are no different physically.

If you were disassembled atom by atom and "beamed" across space and then reassembled, in the process you would die.

I am not sure I understand your question. If a ship can engage FTL targets, certainly it can engage targets moving at sublight speeds.

Relative speeds, dear UR. It's easy if one is going FTL to engage a ship also going FTL, since your speeds would be relative.

Trying to engage a ship that isn't going FTL while going FTL would be impossible. You'd zip by them at 299,792,458 meters/second. How COULD you engage them? How could you even get a shot on them?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Balance of Terror, for starters.

IIRC, while the BoP was running on "Straight impulse" The Enterprise never actually engaged her while moving at warp.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Kramerman
How many of these weapons do they have? I would suppose not that many, allowing a wing (72) of TIE fighters (which are unshielded anyway) to overwhelm one of these ships.

You would be assuming wrong... ALL of their MANY capital ships have these kind of weapons. And they also have fleets of fighter craft as well with almost as powerful weapons... far more powerful than the wimp weapons carried by Tie Fighters...

Even together, both the Empire and Federation would be destroyed quickly by the shadows OR vorlons...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
What Han was vague,

What Han said was quite specific. The only vague part is the question of if he is refering to his regular space drive or his hyperdrive. If we are going to assume that light speed is different in the SW universe, then any and all comparisons between it and ST go out the window.

[Lonestar]

If it wasn't for the fact that you were a mod, I'd mock you for slavishly hanging on to the "First Ones" Ming.


:: looks at watch ::

Well, gotta get up bright and early tomorrow! night-night for Lonestar!

:: runs like Hell ::

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Ming


You would be assuming wrong... ALL of their MANY capital ships have these kind of weapons. And they also have fleets of fighter craft as well with almost as powerful weapons... far more powerful than the wimp weapons carried by Tie Fighters...

Even together, both the Empire and Federation would be destroyed quickly by the shadows OR vorlons...

I meant, how many of these weapons do they have PER ship... the ships could be singled out and overwhelmed. How quick and manueverable and numerous are their fighters?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
If you were disassembled atom by atom and "beamed" across space and then reassembled, in the process you would die.

Die how? Assume that the states of atoms in an object remain unchanged in the process, I don't see how that can happen.

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Relative speeds, dear UR. It's easy if one is going FTL to engage a ship also going FTL, since your speeds would be relative.

Trying to engage a ship that isn't going FTL while going FTL would be impossible. You'd zip by them at 299,792,458 meters/second. How COULD you engage them? How could you even get a shot on them?

You know your speed. You know the target's speed. What's so difficult about it? If my ship move at 2c and an enemy ship move at 2c, the biggest difference is 4c. If my ship move at 2c while the target moves at sublight, the biggest difference is just 2.x c. If I can hit at 4c, why can't I hit at 2.x c? Since all weapons of ST starships move at FTL speeds, there's no problem hitting, either. That's precisely why they don't have lasers but phasers, since the beams tunnel through subspace.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ming
Even together, both the Empire and Federation would be destroyed quickly by the shadows OR vorlons...

And the Shadows along with the Vorlons would fall before the might of the Q. The First Ones have left the galaxy IIRC. Anyway, if you're going to bring up B5 the forces andf her allies field would be a more realistic comparison.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Lonestar
If it wasn't for the fact that you were a mod, I'd mock you for slavishly hanging on to the "First Ones" Ming.

Anybody that knows Bab 5 knows in their heart that the Empire or Federation wouldn't stand a chance against the First Ones... So they just ignore this simple fact and try to argue who has the fastest ships... like that really matters...

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

What Han said was quite specific. The only vague part is the question of if he is refering to his regular space drive or his hyperdrive. If we are going to assume that light speed is different in the SW universe, then any and all comparisons between it and ST go out the window.

How was it specific? He said ".5 past lightspeed" .5 what? What if it meant .5 factors? Assuming it is a simple linear multiplier is silly, especially since the observed phenomenon in the films shows that hyperdrives operate at speeds vastly greater than the speed of light.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Where did you get that? The upper limit of estimated stars in the Milky Way is only 100 billion:

Check this page.

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Right. So despite logic, it could be smaller. There's a sound argument.

I wasn't saying your logic is wrong. I was disputing your assumptions.

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
How could a sphere be 100,000 ly in diameter but only 10,000 ly thick?

The core is a sphere, Boris. Don't you know what the Milky Way shaped like? Sheesh.

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
It takes Han a matter of hours to traverse from the outer rim (Tatooine) to the Core (Alderaan). That's at least 30,000 ly in hours.

He could be using an existing worm-hole.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


According to canonical sources (ANH novelization), the Empire alone controls 1 million star systems.

The only canonical source for Star Wars is George Lucas! WWGLS!

[Dr Strangelove]

Anyway, Star Wars, Star Trek, Babylon 5, none of those guys would last a minute up against the Men in Black's buddies.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Check this page.

Estimates vary, it seems, which is a given considering the scope of what we're talking about. But even so, this doesn't further the debate any.

I wasn't saying your logic is wrong. I was disputing your assumptions.

Then you'll have to explain how 400 billion stars could be compressed into a galaxy a few thousand lightyears across.

The core is a sphere, Boris. Don't you know what the Milky Way shaped like? Sheesh.

Misread what you wrote as referring to the whole galaxy, mea culpa.

He could be using an existing worm-hole.

First, nowhere in the SW canon are wormholes mentioned as any common form of interstellar travel (if at all). Second, Han specifically mentions that they have to have the right calculations before jumping to hyperspace to avoiding flying into suns and what not along the way. Such a thing would not be needed for a wormhole. Thirdly, in the film, we SEE them jump to hypserpace, and no wormhole was involved at all.

Oh, look at those straws you're grasping at...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Lonestar
IIRC, while the BoP was running on "Straight impulse" The Enterprise never actually engaged her while moving at warp.

The Romulan BoP could not move at warp speeds.

Anyway, since the episode took place when the Enterprise was patrolling the Neutral Zone along the Romulan border when they found colonies destroyed by some unknown attacks. And then they received a distressed signal. I can't remember if they ever dropped below warp speed the whole time.