Flag waving.......Flag burning

[Cinna]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Freedom of speech doesn't mean defending only the speech you agree with. "Freedom of speech" means defending other people's right to express ideas that you've spent your whole life fighting against.

No one said they'd ban burning the flag. We've just said that those that do better watch out for our counter free-speech .

They have before, and I wouldn't put it past them to do it again. Just like with burning crosses. Wait, what was the upshot with that? Anyone?

[Zero]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Freedom of speech doesn't mean defending only the speech you agree with. "Freedom of speech" means defending other people's right to express ideas that you've spent your whole life fighting against.

People who find flag burning offensive because it offends people who have died for the flag should think for sec. That they also died for the rights of the flag burners to do their thing.

[David Floyd]

No one said they'd ban burning the flag. We've just said that those that do better watch out for our counter free-speech

And if I see someone assaulting someone else just for burning a piece of cloth, then I'll have to defend the person doing the burning.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No one is talking about assaulting anyone (or battering anyone either).

But, assume someone is battering someone for burning the flag. Isn't your intevention against your moral code that you shouldn't use violence except for self-defense?

[David Floyd]

Not really. I've already stated several times that defending another person is a perfectly moral activity, although there is no moral compunction to do so.

[David Floyd]

And by the way, yes, that means I have no problem killing Saddam, as long as a)no other Iraqis are killed in the process, b)no Americans are killed, except for those who specifically volunteer for the action, and c)I'm not forced to pay for it - the act is paid for through voluntary donations ONLY.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Not really. I've already stated several times that defending another person is a perfectly moral activity

So, wait... are you saying the Gulf War '91 was morally justified because the US was coming to the aid of another country that needed help? .

[David Floyd]

No, because I was forced to pay for it, for one thing.

[David Floyd]

For another, the US didn't ask the 500,000+ troops if they wanted to go help Kuwait.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, because I was forced to pay for it, for one thing.

You didn't even PAY taxes in '91, Floyd!

And you aren't forced to pay for anything. You can leave if you don't want to pay .

For another, the US didn't ask the 500,000+ troops if they wanted to go help Kuwait.

They volunteered, that means giving consent to the government's sending them anywhere.

[Ben Kenobi]

tia:

I'm proud of my family and my country and I will make no apologies for that.

No problem, after all this is your thread! You can tell all those trolls to contribute or buzz off and no one will say a thing.

Also, don't blame yourself for others getting banned, you were not posting inciteful posts or continuing a flame war. Those posters did that all by themselves.

[David Floyd]

You didn't even PAY taxes in '91, Floyd!

I do now, though.

They volunteered, that means giving consent to the government's sending them anywhere.

I suppose they also consented to letting the government just shoot them at will, huh?

No, they volunteered to defend the nation. They made the grave mistake of voluteering for an immoral, aggressive organization, but that doesn't make forcing them to fight moral.

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by obiwan18
tia:


No problem, after all this is your thread! You can tell all those trolls to contribute or buzz off and no one will say a thing.

Also, don't blame yourself for others getting banned, you were not posting inciteful posts or continuing a flame war. Those posters did that all by themselves.

As always the voice of reason I would have told Tass to go fly but the point would have been what? That only would have served to inflame him more, however, I do appreciate the non-troll status he seems to be on.

I will say this.......David I love you to death you know this.....but don't turn this into one of your troll debate things or I will have to shoot you!!

[Ming]

Originally posted by Tiamat
but don't turn this into one of your troll debate things or I will have to shoot you!!

If he keeps up his trolling, you won't have to... because he won't be around here posting...

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Not really. I've already stated several times that defending another person is a perfectly moral activity

So, wait... are you saying the Gulf War '91 was morally justified because the US was coming to the aid of another country that needed help? .

Actually, I'd like to chirp in here.

Yes, I believe GulfWar 91 was completly justified. Instead of raping and murdering Iraqi citizens, he would do the same to Kuwati citizens. Therefore he had to be surpressed from Kuwait.

I would have told Tass to go fly

From the times we've chatted....I believe that

I do appreciate the non-troll status he seems to be on.

Maybe the banning knocked some sense into me