Republic of Alberta, Part III

[Lancer]

I did a search. The stuff is tied into 'oil sand' and needs processing. The tech is there to develope some of the oil sands, but not all. If the tech were developed then the oil would exceed that of Saudi Arabia.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Asher

Are you intentionally setting up the strawmen and hoping I won't catch them, or do you have reading comprehension problems?

You're not even Canadian, let alone Albertan, so you sure as hell shouldn't be explaining to people "what Albertans want". Capiche?

This is too rich.

One way of finding out what Albertans want is to look at what they are saying. One can read the newspaper or watch Ralph Klein on television. It's no different than knowing that the Germans don't want war. It's not the same deal as finding out what women want.

Anyway, you've effectively lost the argument since your claim that provinces can separate unilaterally has been shown to be false and you still haven't answered the question I have put to you about five times now and you still haven't managed to evade the accusations of unilateral separation being anti-democratic.

So once more:

Given that Alberta has no right to secede without the consent of a majority of other provinces, what special rights to secession do Albertans have that other Canadians don't, when they don't like what the elected government of Canada does to them?

Or:

If you think anyone has the right to withdraw themselves from the jurisdiction of the Government of Canada if they don't like its policies, how can you still be a supporter of democracy when this would entail its destruction?

If you can't answer these questions then how about you just admit that you need a better argument than your current position.

[Ben Kenobi]

If the tech were developed then the oil would exceed that of Saudi Arabia.

*whispers to Bush*

Forget Iraq. Invade Alberta!

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Agathon
Given that Alberta has no right to secede without the consent of a majority of other provinces, what special rights to secession do Albertans have that other Canadians don't, when they don't like what the elected government of Canada does to them?

Incorrect. Fundamental rights and Canadian laws are not equivalent.

Albertans have the right that every other newer nation of the twentieth century enjoyed. The right to self-determination.

Or:

If you think anyone has the right to withdraw themselves from the jurisdiction of the Government of Canada if they don't like its policies, how can you still be a supporter of democracy when this would entail its destruction?

If you can't answer these questions then how about you just admit that you need a better argument than your current position.

Entail it's destruction? Grab a clue.

Britain had MPs at the time the 13 colonies fought off the yoke of the far away tyrants.

So too did Britain, France, the Netherlands, etc. have fully democratic institutions for the majority in the important regions when their colonies told them to shove it and packed up for the greener pastures of independence.

What about Scotland? Do the Scots have some rights that Albertans do not enjoy?

[chequita guevara]

If Alberta seperates, the USA will like your bones clean, crack them open, and suck the marrow. You'd be complete idiots to leave Canada.

[notyoueither]

Right. Thanks for that vote of confidence.

I'm sure you are a completely reliable seer. I'm sure people in Quebec and Ontario are counting on us seeing things the way you do to keep us in line.

[Zylka]

They'd like our bones that much?

[Asher]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If Alberta seperates, the USA will like your bones clean, crack them open, and suck the marrow. You'd be complete idiots to leave Canada.

You've already trolled this a couple days ago, comrade.

You then didn't reply to the comments which made fun of your silliness.

Like, for example, your assertion that BC would be accepted by Alberta would not be.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If Alberta seperates, the USA will like your bones clean, crack them open, and suck the marrow.

You mean like we did Texas?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Lancer
I did a search. The stuff is tied into 'oil sand' and needs processing. The tech is there to develope some of the oil sands, but not all. If the tech were developed then the oil would exceed that of Saudi Arabia.

First off, there is more than the oil sands.

Second off, the tech to develop the oil sands has been developed here and will continue to be developed here. More than Saudi Arabia? You bet your Yankee ass!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
You mean like we did Texas?

Alberta ain't gonna become part of the US. It's gonna be a neo-colony. Think Mexico.

[The Mad Monk]

Mexico? Think Canada.

[Asher]

Think Puerto Rico.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Asher

You've already trolled this a couple days ago, comrade.

You then didn't reply to the comments which made fun of your silliness.

Like, for example, your assertion that BC would be accepted by Alberta would not be.

I didn't reply then because I was away from the boards for a few days.

Anyway, the report I read was in the 1980s, so there's no way I'm gonna bother traking it down for you. Needless to say, the psoition of the State Department then (1986) was that we weren't interested in any part of Canada except BC, and that mainly for a land connection with Alaska.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Asher
Think Puerto Rico.

Exactly.