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**Ben Kenobi** · February 21, 2003, 04:56

Let's have a third vote for a stronger commonwealth.

Wonder what the Aussies and Kiwis have to say, though.

**Saras** · February 21, 2003, 04:56

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I reckon these countries are just brown-nosing the US in the hopes of some bread crumbs. Poor sods.

Poor sod yourself. You obviously have no clue about EU and EU accesion politics.

**Saras** · February 21, 2003, 05:10

Originally posted by The Vagabond
The East Europeans should have shown more tact towards their prospective donors within the EU. So Chirac is right in this: they missed a great opportunity to shut up. Once again they have shown themselves as petty lackeys: no principles, just blind asskissing to the master.

France is not a donor. France is a net recipient. And go kiss your own, buddy.

**TheStinger** · February 21, 2003, 05:14

Originally posted by The Vagabond

Oh, come on! East Europeans issued their statement without even informing France beforehand as a courtesy. Do you really think this should be a normal practice within the EU? Chirac had all the reasons to be frustrated.

Would France consult anyone else before issuing a statement.

They are NOT in charge

**Jon Shafer** · February 21, 2003, 05:19

Interesting thread. Please continue.

**Bereta_Eder** · February 21, 2003, 05:46

LOL...
you issued the letter without consulting anyone and you have the nerrve to speak?

I mean the whole Europe knows that the UK is the US ***** but really, you outdone yourselves.

**TheStinger** · February 21, 2003, 05:54

I don't think you should have to consult anyone, my point was to highlight the hypocrisy of the French.

And as we don't actually care what the rest of europe think about us it don't matter

**Bereta_Eder** · February 21, 2003, 05:58

_I don't think you should have to consult anyone, my point was to highlight the hypocrisy of the French.

you do actually.
there are formal procedures for that.
you dont get slaped in the wrist if you dont follow them but you dont help the EU go forth if you dont.

its just hypocritical to accuse anyone else of what you have done.

about your second point, thats good cause Europe pretty much thinks your the US *****

**TheStinger** · February 21, 2003, 06:04

As the EU does not have a common defense and foreign policy and member states are still sovreighn. Wy should they have to consult before releasing a statement regarding those areas.

**Bereta_Eder** · February 21, 2003, 06:13

Originally posted by TheStinger
As the EU does not have a common defense and foreign policy and member states are still sovreighn. Wy should they have to consult before releasing a statement regarding those areas.

might help if you actually knew something about the EU.

common foreign policy is the 2nd pillar which is not "enforced" like the 1st pillar (economic).

procedures exist though as do protocols whoever's ***** the UK decides to be next.

you might be as kind as to inform us before, especially since this is required, although not enforced.

**TheStinger** · February 21, 2003, 06:19

The point is the UK is a soverign country with its right to set its own foreign and defence policy. There is nothing within the EU set up that compells it to demure to Brusels.

It is a diplomatic courtesy to inform your allies(well sort of ) of major statements. Since however everyone at the moment is engaged in a pissing contest, its a bit rich of the French to suddenly take the high moral ground regarding making statements

**Bereta_Eder** · February 21, 2003, 06:21

you're not enforced but you're kindly requered to inform everyone. as all of us do.

not that hard to take a higher moral stance than the UK BTW. easily.

point is its funny to accuse someone of something you've done first (and was detrimental to the unity of the EU - which you dont care about, I know, you told me)

**TheStinger** · February 21, 2003, 06:27

Oh for ****s sake.

I said that it was hypocritcal of the French to criticse the Rummanians for something they would do themselves.

I did not mention the UK

**Bereta_Eder** · February 21, 2003, 06:29

come again?

you just blasted the french for something you did in the first place and twice, mind you.

you also send a letter to the dissidents and not to the others just as the EU summit was about to take place. you did everything in your power to make the summit fail.

glad to see you were persuaded to sign on it too.

not that it means anything, knowing you.

**TheStinger** · February 21, 2003, 06:32

No I blasted the French for comming out and lecturing other countries on how to behave.

That is all I was saying. I know the UK ignore EU rules on foreign stuff as do the French.

They should not though criticise others for doing so.

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