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**Drake Tungsten** · February 20, 2003, 07:29

What was wrong with Stoiber?

**Harovan** · February 20, 2003, 07:34

Rightwinger.
Hypocrite (worse than Schröder).
Demagogue.
Populist.

Enough?

**HershOstropoler** · February 20, 2003, 07:35

The same in black, just with some socially conservative ideas that the majority does not like.

**Drake Tungsten** · February 20, 2003, 07:52

Rightwinger.
Hypocrite (worse than Schröder).
Demagogue.
Populist.

So he's a conservative version of Schroder?

The same in black, just with some socially conservative ideas that the majority does not like.

It appears so. Sucks to be Germany...

**Harovan** · February 20, 2003, 08:30

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
So he's a conservative version of Schroder?

Exactly.

It appears so. Sucks to be Germany...

Yea, sure.

For your records, I don't know a single politician in the whole world worth to get my vote.

**Drake Tungsten** · February 20, 2003, 08:51

I'd vote for Tony Blair. If the British kick him out, he can come be governor of Nebraska. I'm sure he'd enjoy that...

**Pekka** · February 20, 2003, 09:07

I have to say I was quite amazed by the document I just finished watching. I don't know what to think about it.

It was about Saddam Hussein. First of all, Chirac was really working to get close relations with the man when he was prime minister in 70's.. visiting all the time, and selling technology that made it possible for Iraq to start their own nuclear program. He knew it, and willingly helped them by giving contracts and getting huge deals back. This is nothing new of course, but still I was amazed by Chiracs personal effort, it was huge. It all really makes sense now.

**The Viceroy** · February 20, 2003, 09:09

Its not just E.Europe thats outraged by this, I was a supporter of the UK's entry into the Euro zone, and playing an active part within the EU, now .. im left feeling its all about France & Germany, and I don't just want the UK to not join the Euro, I want to pull out of the whole thing.

Give me the option, id prefer to join a union with Canada, US, Australia, New Zealand and get out of the EU.

The French must realise, their opinion is not the European opinion, and if they're not careful, they will destroy all the work that has been acheived since WW2.

**Pekka** · February 20, 2003, 09:09

It was made clear that his agenda was to warm relations with arab world and europe, so we wouldn't be depending on Russia or the US. More that france wouldn't have to depend on the US, and Iraq wouldn't have to depend on Russia. Nice bunch of fellows getting together. Down with Chirac!

**GePap** · February 20, 2003, 12:02

He..

So Chirac has the same footinmouth disease that affects so much of the Bush amdinistration: I gues it runs in conservative circles.

As for the Easter Europeans: interesting how the further outt hey are, the more furios: the POles and Hungarians keep it down, while those states that might join in a few years soiund really mad.

The thing is, France is one of the natural allies of so many of these states when it comes to the big money EU issue, farm subsidies. All the E.European states would like to get good farm subsidies from the EU and France is the big champion of them among the very large states, with Poland also among them.

**CerberusIV** · February 20, 2003, 12:18

Originally posted by GePap

The thing is, France is one of the natural allies of so many of these states when it comes to the big money EU issue, farm subsidies. All the E.European states would like to get good farm subsidies from the EU and France is the big champion of them among the very large states, with Poland also among them.

Not quite. The Germans (and the UK) aren't prepared to put up the money to make the cake any bigger so more money to the eastern Europeans means less money to the French farmers.

Chirac wants them to be compliant and grateful for the crumbs from the table but if they can see off their former dictatorships they should be more than a match for the French.

**OliverFA** · February 20, 2003, 12:30

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Isn't this great? The relationship between American and Europeans can be repaired if we would only agree to going back to hating the French again. Long live Chirac!

That's right! Maybe the French are helping EU and NATO more than they think. The only thing we have to do is throw them out of the EU and the NATO and everything will go fine.

**OliverFA** · February 20, 2003, 12:33

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
...and yet....both were reelected...

In the case of Chirac, he was the less bad option, which doesn't say much about the French politicians by the way. In the case of Schroeder he was elected by a very small difference, and his party has lost the last elections...

**Ozz** · February 20, 2003, 12:36

Originally posted by The Viceroy
Give me the option, id prefer to join a union with Canada, US, Australia, New Zealand and get out of the EU.

Churchill's Union of the English speaking peoples.

Dump the metric system too. It's simple, but it is
barren of character.

**OliverFA** · February 20, 2003, 12:38

Originally posted by The Viceroy
The French must realise, their opinion is not the European opinion, and if they're not careful, they will destroy all the work that has been acheived since WW2.

I'm afraid the damage is already done. Lots of former EU suporters feel... what's the word Bush used? oh yes, "deceived".

In Spain the oposition speech can de summarized with just two phrases.

"Stop doing everything that Bush says" and
"Start doing everything that Chirac says".

Too bad...

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