Exidus of Jews from France reaches record levels.

[Az]

Mazarin: did you read the rest of my post.
Pekka:

[Edan]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by HershOstropoler

Especially in the time between the 1st century BC and 1948.

I don't remember millions of Jews being killed in that land over the last 2000 years. Maybe hundreds of thousands over that span, and maybe a few million kicked out, at a rough guess. But millions killed?

The nr of attacks in France is undisputably up. I fail to see nrs supporting that for the rest of europe.

The statistics I have heard on the news were that antissemitic acts are up in most countries in Europe (including Germany and the UK), but that the rise in France was much, much, much greater.

Also, as I said before, this is only losely related to the level of antisemitic sentiment.

The amount of antisemitic acts are only loosely related to antisemitic sentiment? That seems a reach.

I'm not saying that everyone in Europe is antisemitic, or even everyone in France. I'm just pointing out that the level of antisemitism has risen - either there are more people being antisemitic, or those that are are being far more vocal/taking action about it.

[HershOstropoler]

"The statistics I have heard on the news"

Heard? Where exactly? Which statistics?

"The amount of antisemitic acts are only loosely related to antisemitic sentiment? That seems a reach."

Antisemitic sentiment is one thing, activating it to turn violent another. Sentiment can decline overall, and if you have a group that gets triggered into violence, antisemitic violence can rise at the same time.

[Edan]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler

Heard? Where exactly? Which statistics?

CNN or MSNBC. They had cited that the number of reported incidents of Europe had gone up, especially in France. I'm affraid I can't find another source, as this was reported about 2 or 3 months ago.

Antisemitic sentiment is one thing, activating it to turn violent another. Sentiment can decline overall, and if you have a group that gets triggered into violence, antisemitic violence can rise at the same time.

Perhaps - as I said, one possibility is that those who are antisemitic are more vocal or active.

But if that is the case, questions remain: Why are they able to be more active and vocal? Why aren't good epople trying to do more to stop it? Why do the antisemites feel that the atmosphere now is right for increasing thier actions?

[Mazarin]

Azazel, you often can't select the people who cheer you...just look at who's against "european leftists"

Goingonit, what about winning the world cup in '98...I think it has been a demonstration of a multicultural france ...of course there will be a lot to do to improve the situation of many foreigners...France just as Germany has not been able to succeed in the integration of immigrants (in Germany we have isolation of some Turkish and Russian groups) but I think we're learning from our mistakes in the past.

[Az]

Mazarin, don't be naive. there is a very strong cooperation of leftwing organizations, and muslim organizations. just look at the demonstrations in Britain, as an example. "you can't select the people who cheer you" my ass. An alliance of religious conservatives together with the far left. I can understand all sorts of weird looks that I get when I say I am a commie.

[Sandman]

In keeping with the 'Europe is antisemitic' crowd's idea of evidence i.e. anecdotes and misinterpreted statistics, I present this story from the Guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/argentina/...881135,00.html

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Oerdin

So you are claiming that they wished to destroy his car to destroy there finger prints? That would again indicate the reason was not robbery but politically or anti-semitically related. A thief would have tried to steal the car while a anti-semite would have tried to kill the rabbi and destroy the evidience; which is what happened.

Stolen cars are commonly burnt , to destroy the prints
whether the car was stolen for a joyride, parts, or just
to burn it for the insurance, so your friend gets a new car.

The line between anti-semitic and anti-Israeli is getting blurred. This is turning into a religious war. Was he targeted yes, If anyone else was there they would have
been knifed and robbed too, only it would have only made the local paper for a non-jew.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Ozz

The line between anti-semitic and anti-Israeli is getting blurred.

What line? If being Anti-Israeli means wanting to see Israel, the Jewish country, destroyed, there is no line. If it means not agreeing with the policies of Israel, I would argue that that's not anti-Israeli. in and of itself - just like disagreeing with some of Bush's policies is not anti-American, in and of itself.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Sandman
In keeping with the 'Europe is antisemitic' crowd's idea of evidence i.e. anecdotes and misinterpreted statistics, I present this story from the Guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/argentina/...881135,00.html

Things must be extremely dire in Argentina if they want to come to Brum.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Big Crunch Things must be extremely dire in Argentina if they want to come to Brum.

Must because of the Euro immigrants to Argentinia, like that bunch in 1945-1946.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Pekka
Azazel, It is funny how European leftists like do demonstrate against the US, and Israel. I don't know why that is. Of course there's nothing wrong with peaceful demonstrating, and they are loud minority after all, but I'd like to see the leftist movement protest against suicide bombers, against terrorism, against Saddam Hussein etc.

The left protests against the actions of their own countries, not others. I'm repsonsible for the actions of my government, not Iraq's. I'm partially responsible for the actions of Israel, because some of my taxes go to support their campaign of ethnic cleansing.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Azazel
An alliance of religious conservatives together with the far left.

We need to do something about this.

[Edan]

I've known a number of people (left and right) who've protested the actions of other countries - because they believed the actions deserved protest. *shrug*.

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


The left protests against the actions of their own countries, not others. I'm repsonsible for the actions of my government, not Iraq's. I'm partially responsible for the actions of Israel, because some of my taxes go to support their campaign of ethnic cleansing.

"ethnic cleansing" It must be the worst ethnic cleansing in the world given that there are more Palestinians then ever....

And you're also responsible for Palestinian terrorism.

And you're also responsible for Iraq (as are the British, the French, the Russians, etc.) cause a lot of US money went to support Iraq in the 80s.

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Edan
What line? If being Anti-Israeli means wanting to see Israel, the Jewish country, destroyed, there is no line.

Prime proof. Non- support for the existance of Israel is not anti-semitism. You would make it so? Would you brand a Apache who didn't support the existance of the USA anti-Christian?