Exidus of Jews from France reaches record levels.

[Dinner]

I like starting these threads and then once they get going and things are snow-balling nicely I just sit back and enjoy the chaos.

[Dauphin]

You are a regular Loki

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I like starting these threads and then once they get going and things are snow-balling nicely I just sit back and enjoy the chaos.

TROLL

[Dinner]

No, really, I did post the article in good faith but people started taking things personally so I bowed out. I'm all for enlightened discusion but can we all take a deep breath?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Oerdin
It's not a Europe wide phenomenon and I think Ned was just so upset by what he's seen reported that he got mad and made a blanket statement. I'm sure he doesn't really think all of Europe is racist even if he did type it.

I also don't think the French are going to rewarm the ovens, so to speak, but never the less there seems to be a considerable amount of lingering cultural bigotry.

Oerdin, You are right here. I was upset and angry. One of the reasons was that I had just seen the movie the Pianist. That is not an easy film to watch.

[Ned]

Dry, I am not qoing to quote your long post. But if even half of what you say is true about the European left is true, all I can said is that I am with you.

It is just that I saw a lot of leftist demonstratons here against Israel which became ugly and anti-Semitic. I assumed the same was true in Europe.

But, just to make sure, the European left is equally against Arab, anti-Jew, nationalism as well. Right?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Edan


Cause pbs.org and the books I have on my desk aren't as reliable as where your "sources" came from?

All of your "sources" came from here, here and here. On a site full of revisionist and antisemitic garbage.

And the most telling thing is that you didn't even bother to change your method of source references, you simply highlighted, copied and pasted - resulting in refernces that are identical, down to the spaces, commas and parenthesis.

Edan, Well done! I have been jousting with S. Kroeze for nine months now. His basic theory is that Zionism is racism, Israel is aparthied, and, IIRC, Sharon is a war criminal. He seemed like he was building a case to bring Israel and Sharon up on charges before the new ICC.

When I said what I did about the European left being anti-Semitic racists, I was thinking about my battles with Mr. Kroeze. While one can, in my view, be pro-Arab or pro-Palestinian without being in favor of the destruction of Israel; there are some that do seem to cross that invisible line between policy and hate.

[Sandman]

I hope you accept that claims of an 'exodus' of French Jews are totally unjustified, as are the claims of an 'epidemic' of anti-semitism in Europe.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Ozz


it not how they label themselves, It about how YOU label them. And they in turn label you. Reason ends,
and blind hatred begins.

The Anti-Semites are out to kill Jews and can't be
reasoned with because they are not logical. Others
may have logical reasons for hating israeli, yet wouldn't
harm a Jew living in America, cause they are not anti-semitic. The greivences they have, just or not, can be
settled.

Just like a racist can be a racist and still have black friends, so can an anti-semite be anti-semite without wanting to kill every (or even any) Jews.

You are someone who appears to delight at the thought of millions of Israeli Jews and a million other innocent Israeli civilians dying, and I see no point to further debate this with you. Bigotry and rationality rarely coexist, and I don't see the point of expecting sound logic and intellectual honesty from someone who displays bigotry.

[MRT144]

so are all anti israelis also anti semites?

[Edan]

Originally posted by MRT144
so are all anti israelis also anti semites?

If they want the destruction of Israel that would mean the deaths of millions, yes.

If you are merely question Isralei policy? I wouldn't consider them anti-Israeli, any more than I would consider someone who doesn't agree with Bush's policies as anti-American.

(How come I feel like a broken record? )

[MRT144]

id like to see the destruction of the umbilical cord between mama america and baby israel

[Edan]

Originally posted by MRT144
id like to see the destruction of the umbilical cord between mama america and baby israel

Fine. Go tell your local congressman that, not me.

And given that Israels creation and survival for it's first 20 years had little to do with the US, I find your choice of phrase amusing.

[MRT144]

every israeli here probably thinks im an anti semite though and im just for the record stating that i simply hate the way israeli is a parasite on our country...

[Az]

A parasite? Noone forces you to help us. Your government simply feels it would be best to do so. Otherwise, we might interfere with your interests, so you'd rather have us as very obdient friend. (remember, when we sat quietly in 91'? that was your tax dollars at work. )

Don't get me wrong, Israel and the US are true friends, but usually, friends have disagreements as well. That's what the US help is avoiding. Us voicing any objections to any policy of yours, while you're, of course, free to criticize our own.