Exidus of Jews from France reaches record levels.

[Paul Hanson]

I would think that all the article proves is that France has its share of racist ****ers, just like most other countries. I doubt that the majority of French people are about to march down the streets waving flags with swastikas on and burning down synagogues.

[Maroule]

Originally posted by Goingonit


I think rather it was the first gesture. The next one is to stop burning down synagogues, but maybe that won't happen because it's not symbolic enough for you?

And the point in the article till stands. France is finally (6 years ago) coming to terms with its history (the worst parts of which started 63 years ago).

"I think rather it was the first gesture." No, the first one was in 45, execute french nazis. And this episode, Vichy, you might have learned, was imposed on us. The third republic that was toppled, had a jewish prime minister (Blum), . We had many since (Mendes, Fabius, etc.). Today, the two heads of the PS, the second largest party in France, are jews (strauss khan, fabius). The top selling singer is too (Bruel), as are many top actors, businessmen, journalists, etc. Not bad for a rabid anti-semitic country.

You also probably know that it is illegal to promote/publish/talk about anything loosely antisemitic, and that this law is severely endorced. For example ebay was prosecuted in France for selling nazi memorabilia, and had to hide itself under US legislation.

How does all this info fit your tired clichés?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Maroule
check your facts. The rabbi was lightly stabbed, and after a quick check at the hospital, he walked away, celebrating the day after an eocumenic ceremony with christians and muslim against this type of violence. BTW, he is also a very liberal rabbi that has been accused to be too softs on arabs. Nobody know why he was singled out.

I looked it up and you are right. He did not die; he was stabbed by lived though he did lose his car. Who did it to him is not known but the rabbi was a political leader and someone tried to kill him.

This sort of thing happens in many countries but the Media has been reporting about the events in France recently so it weights heavily in my memory. Next week maybe it will be Alabama or Tunisia but this week it is France.

[MRT144]

oerdin, could they also have BEEN TRYING TO STEAL HIS CAR?!?!?!?!?

[HershOstropoler]

No way, those evil french antisemites steal cars after attacking their victim because they don't want jews to have cars.

[Eli]

Originally posted by MRT144
oerdin, could they also have BEEN TRYING TO STEAL HIS CAR?!?!?!?!?

Then why yelling "Allah huAkbar!" in the process?

[MRT144]

then how will the jews conspire agains the cobblestone roads of france?

[MRT144]

allah haukbar is french for "i have your car now, you wacky rabbi!"

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by Eli


Then why yelling "Allah huAkbar!" in the process?

Because it was the motto of the Vichy state.

[MRT144]

oh ****, i know why he said allah huakbar...because allah let him get away with stealing the car...

[Dry]

Originally posted by Ned
The new Nazi's are the European left. They join the old Nazi's who never left. Is there anyone left in Europe that is not racist?

I am really sad that even you, Ned seems to believe that.
It gives me the feeling that there is a real misunderstanding in the US of what is the European leftism.

May I just inform you americans that most (if not all) anti-racist movement, organisations,... are called 'leftists' by right-wing people, and even 'communists' by far-right people.
One of the fight of the left-wing in europe is a fight against prejudices. And racism, anti-semitism and xhenophobia are some.

May I just remind you that another common accusation of far-rightist against socialism and communism is 'jewish creation to corrupt the mind of our youth'. And by some way again, it is true that jewish people helped in the left-wing fight.
To call left-wingers racist or anti-semitic is not only absurd, but is close to insult. It is accusating them of being what they fight.

What left-wingers are, and are therefore hated by right-wingers, is anti-nationalists.
Another great left fight is the fight against nationalism (ever heard of Jaures, a french leftist who was killed because he was against the nationalistic war, WW1?).
Nationalism in Europe is synonymous of racism. When a J.M. LePen talks about 'France to Frechmen', everybody knows what he means: 'France to christian white people'. That is european nationalism.
The multicultural situation of the USA is a kind of exception in the pattern. European left-wingers have difficulties to understand the situation in the USA, and with no surprise need to suspect american nationalists of racist tendencies (How the hell can a nationalist NOT be a racist?).

The problem is that many right-wingers do not understand the difference between country and people. They consider nationalism as a normal thing and will thus call left-wingers stupid, or mycountry-haters, or traitors (some of my leftist jewish friends were called traitors by their kin).
Because right-wingers make the confusion between country and people, they may think 'they want to destroy us'.
That is not correct. What left-wingers want to destroy is the concept that links a country, a nation to some peole with the exclusion of others (white vs black, christians vs muslims or ... jews vs pals).
'Evilness' for euro-leftists is a country restricted to some citizens only based on ethnicity, religion, whatever.
The claim of 'Christianity' of Europe to deny Turkey EU membership came from... you guessed: right-wing parties. Surprised? Not me.
And this lead us to Israel.
Leftists have the feeling that Israel has gone too far on the nationalist track, and that Zionism has become a nationalist movement. In their mind nationalism being real close to racism, it is no surprise that some euro leftists have compared Sharon to Hitler.
I know no leftist who would harm a jew (or an arab, or a whatever) and surely not simply because he is jew (that would be real racism). I some some of them who would fight nationalism, be it german, french, arab or jew.

Ok, I want to say more, but another time, maybe. Let's not make this post too long.

[MRT144]

come now, ned lives in a fantasy world and we are beyond reaching him.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by MRT144
oerdin, could they also have BEEN TRYING TO STEAL HIS CAR?!?!?!?!?

If they wanted to steal his car then why burn it?

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Oerdin
The article says most of them are going to Israel. Apparently, French anti-Semitism has become unbearable for many French Jews.

That explains why they are so buddy-buddy with Germany then. Birds of a feather and all that...

[Lefty Scaevola]

The Jews must be leaving France to go to Israel because the food is better in Israel.