10.5%

[KrazyHorse]

He was seen as being Reagan's ***** too.

[TCO]

Re: Re: Re: GP

Originally posted by Frogger


He was also a bit of a demagogue. And corrupt as hell.

Clinton/Gore?

[KrazyHorse]

Hah. No, more like Reagan, running up a massive deficit and lying to the public on important policy issues (instead of where Willy parked his Willy)

[TCO]

Originally posted by Frogger
He was seen as being Reagan's ***** too.

Just because they agreed on policies? Or for wood tarrif stuff? Would any PC be seen as a US ***** because they're not anti-US?

[TCO]

Originally posted by Frogger
Hah. No, more like Reagan, running up a massive deficit and lying to the public on important policy issues (instead of where Willy parked his Willy)

You haven't been following the econogeek thread. Clinton set him (Bush) up the bomb with the deficits.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Willem
Left wing?

Yeah, the GST was a very right-wing thing to do wasn't it. Go on, tell me more.

If you think that Mulroney was left wing, you must be bordering on Fascist.

Do you know what a fascist is?
I'm HARDLY a fascist.

You must be really, really stupid if you think extreme right wing == fascist.

I'm right-wing liberal, not right-wing authoritarian...

All the more reason why the CA should never, ever be allowed to rule this country.

How does that, in any way, have to do with the CA?

Something's in the water over there...

As for your Quebec comment, I'm sure they feel the same way about Alberta. A lot of people here in Ontario certainly do. And you're certainly not going to gain any sympathy for your province with statements like that.

You're such a tool, you have no idea when someone is joking or serious regardless of the smilies they use as BIG FLAGS to give you hints.

[KrazyHorse]

But he was still a taxer+spender. Like every other Canadian politician he had to support the social safety net. Anybody who tried to kill it would be tossed ou.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Asher

PCs are more viable than Chretien and his cronies.

Obviously not if only 13.5% of the people support them. But like I said, that might change in the leadership convention.

I think losing Charest to Quebec was a serious blow to the PCs frankly, they would have been much better off he would have remained leader of the PCs. Joe Clark is to much of a yesterday's man, they need someone with new ideas. The sooner they put an end to the CA, the better I'll like it.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by GP


Just because they agreed on policies? Or for wood tarrif stuff? Would any PC be seen as a US ***** because they're not anti-US?

He was a tool on foreign policy issues. Independent of what you believe, it is good for Canada on foreign policy stage to be seen as being independent and not just US' gofer.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Willem
Obviously not if only 13.5% of the people support them.

And I bet you 99% of those people wouldn't be able to tell you why the name of the party is progressive conservative too.

I still believe most of Canada is inept politically, and always will be.

It's such a shame, there's so much promise in this country.

I think losing Charest to Quebec was a serious blow to the PCs frankly, they would have been much better off he would have remained leader of the PCs.

Charest? GAHH!?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by GP


You haven't been following the econogeek thread. Clinton set him (Bush) up the bomb with the deficits.

Did the US' national debt double or not during Reagan years? Same as Canada during Mulroney years.

BTW, do you know what Tory means?

Irish thief. At least Mulroney lived up to that promise.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Frogger


He was a tool on foreign policy issues. Independent of what you believe, it is good for Canada on foreign policy stage to be seen as being independent and not just US' gofer.

No doubt. I just wondered if you could concieve of an anti-communist or rightist or whatever who was not labeled as a US tool. Is it a convenient label?

[Asher]

He's perceived as a US tool because of NAFTA.

The only good thing he did, mind you.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by GP


No doubt. I just wondered if you could concieve of an anti-communist or rightist or whatever who was not labeled as a US tool. Is it a convenient label?

Not really. He was like Blair. As soon as US declared foreign policy, Canada was there 100%. Gulf War, Cold War...

[Willem]

Originally posted by GP


Compare him to a US politician. Where would he fit in our spectrum?

Well certainly not Bush. Almost anyone would look left wing compared to him. The first person that comes to mind would be Colin Powell I guess, but that's mainly because I'm not to familiar with your more moderate Republicans. The far right has kind of drownded them out of the media lately. He wasn't an extreme conservative by any means, but he certainly wasn't left wing.