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  • #16
    Originally posted by Asher
    Why would he call himself a Liberal if he was a conservative?
    That's a long, and entertaining story.

    The shorter version is the province was run for years by the Social Credit are the right wing party, but they fall into disarray. Then during an election, Gordon Wilson, leader of the tiny Liberal party, comes out of nowhere, captures the voters attention and the Liberals go from 0 seats to about a dozen seats.

    Meanwhile Gordon Campbell is looking for a party to lead. He doesn't want to associate with the Social Credits (who the voters hate), he doesn't want to use the name Conservative (because of its association with Mulroney), the provincial Reform Party is controlled by nutcases as is always the case, so he and some other ex-Socreds decide to take over the Liberal Party.

    Meanwhile Wilson has lost his glow after admitting to having an affair with a married Liberal MLA who ditches her children to move in with him. So the new Liberal members throw out the old leader and Gordan Campbell is elected to head the party.

    Wilson and his lover sulk off and form their own party. Sometime later, Wilson becomes a minister in the NDP government, IIRC.

    When Campbell finally gets elected premier, he implements extremely un-Liberal policies. He has started to fire a third of the civil servants. He gives massive tax breaks while putting the province further into debt. And he cancels treaty negotiations with natives. He's as right-wing as you can get.
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    • #17
      When Campbell finally gets elected premier, he implements extremely un-Liberal policies. He has started to fire a third of the civil servants. He gives massive tax breaks while putting the province further into debt. And he cancels treaty negotiations with natives. He's as right-wing as you can get.
      This is nonsense.

      If he was as right wing as you could get he would have fired all of the civil servants.

      And again, you keep conveniently forget to mention that all of these big tax breaks and civil servant layoffs came during a period of transition after a SOCIALIST government.

      A centrist Liberal could be seen as very right wing by people who don't want to look very hard just because he's restoring back to the center when the previous party were left-wing nutjobs who ran the province into the ground several times over.
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      • #18
        Nice to know Canadian politics is as screwed up as Ameriican politics. But I knew that because I work with a Canadian and read the news.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Asher

          This is nonsense.

          If he was as right wing as you could get he would have fired all of the civil servants.
          Once again Asher, you don't know what you are talking about. The B.C. Liberals are just conservatives by another name. Even the right wingers in BC say this.
          Everyone knows that the Liberal Party of BC has no connection with the federal Liberal Party or any other provincial Liberal party.
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          • #20
            Even the right wingers in BC say this.
            Quotes.

            Everyone knows that the Liberal Party of BC has no connection with the federal Liberal Party or any other provincial Liberal party.
            Never implied otherwise.
            It's just that, with talk again of them implementing universal daycare I have to wonder what kind of screwed up conservatives are talking of establishing universal daycare...

            And I think you still have a major problem with figuring out what's left and right wing.

            What's right wing to you is centrist to normal people.

            Hell, Alberta is closer to the center when using American standards than the federal Liberals by quite a bit.

            The BC Liberals are centrist. They're right wing to left wingers, because most of them can't seem to figure out what "relative" is...

            Yes, he used Alberta as his shining example of government done right (and who wouldn't?? ) but he's still not all the way there.
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            • #21
              BTW, Tingkai, if the BC Liberals are so conservative...

            • Why do they have a "Ministry of Women's Equality"?
            • Why didn't they eliminate the Corporate Capital Tax like they said they would do?
            • Why do they forbid companies suffering from a strike to hire replacement workers?
            • Why did they promise to ensure mining or logging is not permitted in parks?

              The list goes on and on.

              They're right wing compared to the NDP they replaced, but they're still centrist.

              Not conservative.

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            • #22
              "Ya, but what were your choices? When was the last time that a B.C. premier has not been up on criminal charges?"

              -Tingkai

              What about the BC Unity Party? I seriously considered voting for them, until I realised that no one else would.
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              • #23
                Stick with the program Asher. This is thread is about drunk politicians and what to do with them.

                If you want a discussion about why the BC Liberals are conservatives then start a new thread.
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                • #24
                  American Standards = those of Normal People?
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                  • #25
                    Another great example of politicians proving that they are
                    a) the world's greatest hypocrites
                    b) morons
                    c) human

                    (In that order)

                    One rule for them....

                    An interesting aside; hasn't Bush been done for drunk-driving too? I'm also pretty sure he has basically admitted using cannabis and cocaine.
                    Long live the war or drugs, just start with all the politician drug-users
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                    • #26
                      As far as I am concerned he can resign. He has been a crap Premier.

                      Regarding the ongoing Tingkai/Asher debate I'd have to give the nod to Tingkai. Our province has always been beset with fairly radical right/left wing swings. Campbell has been driven by ideology every bit as much as the NDP premiers who preceeded him.

                      BC had the second leanest provincial civil service in the country prior to the Liberals' massive cuts. The big cuts to taxation during the period right after 9/11 shows a failure of Econ 101 and has resulted in much more massive deficits than even the NDP were bringing in.

                      The BC Liberal party is a collection of true Liberals, Social Creditists, opportunists and Conservatives. Traditionally a single right wing party will garner vitually all the right wing votes in the province as a counter to the always powerful NDP. I believe Tingkai may have mildly overstated his argument as there is still an undeniable but not great Fed Lib/BC Lib connection.

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                      • #27
                        Asher, I think you are using too strict a definition of conservative here. The BC Liberals are definitely not a centrist party, and it isn't just because of their relative position vis-a-vis the old NDP. The Alberta government is probably the most conservative provincially in the country, but you could pick out non-conservative things they do as well. The reasons for this is that there are only so many pure right wing things you can get away with in Canada before you render yourself unelectable. Our country uses a different political spectrum than the US (and, for that matter, so does just about the rest of the democratic world) and you really have to use that as the guage.

                        Personally, I think BC needed to be shaken up. I don't necessarily agree with everything Campbell is doing, and I think often times he is doing more of a swinging the axe thing rather than making surgical changes. Still, there really was no easy way out of the mess BC was in. I just hope in the end it isn't the same mess with a different name.

                        As for the drunk driving thing, I don't think that Campbell or any other politician should be held to higher standards than anyone else. At the same time, it shouldn't be any more lenient.
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                        • #28
                          Campbell should resign. He committed a crime while in office. Lawmakers should be held to a higher standard, particularly a premier.

                          There's no comparison between Campbell and Ralphie or Bush. Ralph and George W have not committed a crime. Bush had a drinking problem, but he dealt with it and should be commended for being able to solve the problem.
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                          • #29
                            The charge has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to lead the province.

                            Drama queens go home.
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                            • #30
                              Originally posted by obiwan18
                              Hoist him aboard with a running bowline
                              Hoist him aboard with a running bowline
                              Hoist him aboard with a running bowline
                              Early in the morning.

                              I voted for this schmuck!
                              You deserve what you got, you bastard.

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