Nov 30th 1939 - A Date which will live in Infamy

[Pekka]

Mannerheim broken shmoken.. it was lightly touched, penetrated from few points at the most .

Serb, Well I think you got it worse (the cold) in Siberia. Also we have brown bears, no polar bears here. But the part about fighting wolves is true!

But no, I can't see us doing it anymore in our time. Only scenario I see it going on is if the US and Russia had problems and Russia invaded Estonia.. Then we'd be in a spot where both would want our butt, by force or by alliance. Fortunately, that is not in the near future either so I guess we can sleep peacefully.

And when it comes to Karelia, I think most Finns wouldn't want it. Just because it would cost so much, and people hate paying so much taxes already.

I wouldn't trust Swedes maps though, I can't trust any country that hasn't got a decent hockey team .

[Seeker]

Geeze, now I know why Reagan used to talk about the Winnable War....maybe seeing the Stars and Stripes flying from the Kremlin Krater would shut guys like Serb up...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb
You think you are funny DD?

Sadly I was only speaking the truth. You suffered humiliating defeats in all of the wars I listed.

Karl XII, Napoleon, Hitler all of them were damn arrogant and have the same arrogant opinion about Russian military, they paid for their arrogance.

Yes and Wilhelm II knocked you out of his war even though you were facing less than half of his army.

I wouldn't get all happy about Napoleon either. Your military never won a major battle against him.

[David Floyd]

Serb, we can argue percentages and Lend Lease all day long. What you're going to have to admit, though, is that the physical participation of the United States in the war was vastly more important that "5% of Soviet production".

[Gangerolf]

When will Finland join Nato?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
When will Finland join Nato?

NATO shouldn't be expanded into Eastern Europe.

[Gangerolf]

well it already is...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
well it already is...

Exactly. I was against it from the start.

[David Floyd]

I'd be in favor of disbanding NATO and letting Europe organize their own common defense organization. Not as if they need one, of course.

[Gangerolf]

an EU-army?

no thanks

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by David Floyd
I'd be in favor of disbanding NATO

Strangely enough there is no real support for that position on either side of the pond.

[Gangerolf]

I'd be in favor of disbanding NATO and letting Europe organize their own common defense organization. Not as if they need one, of course.

well we could keep NATO, but throw out the US and Canada.

but I don't see why we should do that.

[DinoDoc]

Back on topic, let's get back to talking about whether or not the Russian army has been historically ****.

[Stefu]

When will Finland join Nato?

It's a hot topic here. Majority of people are against Finland joining, but you never know what the political leadership is going to do.

[Pekka]

Yep.. about 60% against, 40% for.. it's mainly dispute about money again. It would cost us pretty much, and we hate paying more taxes and stuff.
I think we should join NATO, but not if there was an option for EU-army. We should do that one.