IF tommorow the Palestinian people peacably protested in the street+did so for month

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by gsmoove23
Here is a question for you CyberGnu, because I've wondered what you think about it from your previous posts. Does Israel have a right to exist? Do Israelis within the Green Line have a right to stay and should some Israeli settlements stay?

"Well, there we're back to that oxymoron again: innocent civilians of Israel ..." - CyberGnu

[CyberGnu]

gsmoove, it depends on what you are asking.

Morally, I don't think Israel has a right to be there.

But practically, we all know that it isn't going away, and we will have to deal with reality. If we want a civilized solution to the conflict, we will have to accept Israels existance, and adhere to a deal.

(However, the settlements were implicitly part of the original Oslo accord, and I don't think we should expect the palestinians to accept a LESSER deal 10 years later...)

It is reminiscent of putting innocent people in jail... Yes, in a perfect world they should not be there, and morally, we have no right to put them there... But unfair things do happen, and we will just have to trust the system because it is the best we can come up with. You see what I mean?

[CyberGnu]

gsmoove:

Originally posted by gsmoove23
Here is a question for you CyberGnu, because I've wondered what you think about it from your previous posts. Does Israel have a right to exist? Do Israelis within the Green Line have a right to stay and should some Israeli settlements stay?

DinoDoc: "Well, there we're back to that oxymoron again: innocent civilians of Israel ..." - CyberGnu

You see what I mean?

Someone asks a simple, reasonable question, and some pro-Israeli idiot goes posting a completely irrelevant quote. Usually because they can't argue their own point without resorting to "might gives right", and that is when the accusations of fascism, anti-semitism or nazism comes out.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Someone asks a simple, reasonable question, and some pro-Israeli idiot goes posting a completely irrelevant quote.

1) The amusement value of the quote was too much for me to pass up given the question asked.

2) I'm only pro-Israeli in comparison to some of your views on the subject.

[CyberGnu]

What amusement value? It is still irrelevant to the question gsmoove placed.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
What amusement value?

I never said it had to amuse you. Only me.

[CyberGnu]

Which makes my comment to gsmoove accurate.

[Ned]

What Syria, Jordan Leban, Israel and Palestine could really use is massive amounts of water. I haven't read all the links yet, but I think that water lies in the mountains to the North at the headwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates.

Perhaps one of the things the US, Europe and Russia could propose to help settle the ME dispute is to build a massive canal to transport water South. The Aswan dam was built this way in Egypt. (We and the Brits cut off funding when Nasser began nationalizing industries in '56. The Russians built the dam.)

The Canal could remain under UN control since it will traverse/affect so many countries.

[Az]

Turkey wouldn't allow it. It's their water resourses, Geopolitical power that would be idiotic to give up.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Azazel
Panag: you should be more cool-minded in these threads. This is the only way to go. don't let emotions get in the way. I, myself, had people I was familiar with (distantly) killed. But this changes nothing. Esp. nowadays, when everyone lives in the danger of global terrorism.

hi ,

you might find it a bit difficult when your sister is waiting in the hospital for a operation to remove two bolts embedded next to her spinal core , .........

the main problem with "people" in far away countries thing that it cant happen to them , ......... well they are dead wrong , it can happen to anyone at anytime , ......

about the water , if the pals would not have destroyed themselves so much of the rain collecting and desalttation equipment , we would have a different land today , ........ we as Israeli's try to capture and possibly even reuse water , but no , the pals have to drill deeper and deeper , "oh says the world , what a shame" , but the world forgets a couple of things , when you drill on a hill its logical you have to drill deeper to get to the water , on top of that they dont want to talk about sustained supply , ....... no sir , they prefer to let the water run and go to waste , instead of collecting it , ......
take a look at a sattelite picture of Israel from 1970 and one from 1995 , Israel shows up like a green oasis , why , well because we try to get the max from out of what we have , ..........

as for syria , pfffffff , they have plenty of water , the same for jordan , the same for libanon , its not our fault that they are a bit lazzy to work , ........
and no-one is complaining that they are building dams to divert the water on the borders , but of course that is no news , .......... no-one talks about the syrians and jordans drilling water and then letting it run to the dessert where it evaporates without having any practical use , .......... the workers on the border are even to stupid to flush the toilet with water , ..............

water , well there is enough for all to go around , but its not the Israeli's fault that they are to stupid to work with it , .........

have a nice day

[Az]

you might find it a bit difficult when your sister is waiting in the hospital for a operation to remove two bolts embedded next to her spinal core , .........

I didn't know. I am sorry.

[GePap]

While I asure you Panag that everyone here hopes your sister gets better and finds what was done to her criminal and unacceptable, I still must disagree with your notion that someone form the outside can't 'know' enough to argue. Sometimes what someone needs is distance from the pain.

Azazel:
As for Hizbullah: in what other parts of the border has Hizbulah carried out attacks against the IDF besides the Cheeba farms? The most i have heard off is anti-aircraft shells falling unto Israel that were fired up in the air by Hizbullah, as a ***-for tat act aftre Israeli air incursions into Southern Lebanon.

As for the water issue: Last time I heard, haven't the last few yeras been one of geenral 'drought' in the region, with israel itself having to place strict limits on water use due to shortages? What effect has damage to geenral Palestinian infrastructure had to due with less efficient use of water, what effect does greater population have, and what effects have the general political and economic outcomes of the current violence had on the ammount Plaestinians get? All of these would be issues to consider as far as water use goes.

[Panag]

Originally posted by GePap
While I asure you Panag that everyone here hopes your sister gets better and finds what was done to her criminal and unacceptable, I still must disagree with your notion that someone form the outside can't 'know' enough to argue. Sometimes what someone needs is distance from the pain.

Azazel:
As for Hizbullah: in what other parts of the border has Hizbulah carried out attacks against the IDF besides the Cheeba farms? The most i have heard off is anti-aircraft shells falling unto Israel that were fired up in the air by Hizbullah, as a ***-for tat act aftre Israeli air incursions into Southern Lebanon.

As for the water issue: Last time I heard, haven't the last few yeras been one of geenral 'drought' in the region, with israel itself having to place strict limits on water use due to shortages? What effect has damage to geenral Palestinian infrastructure had to due with less efficient use of water, what effect does greater population have, and what effects have the general political and economic outcomes of the current violence had on the ammount Plaestinians get? All of these would be issues to consider as far as water use goes.

hi ,

since when is an 120 mm mortar used as AA , .......

the IAF doesnt go there unless two acts of violence happend , ...... we at least respect the nation of libanon , we respect their borders , they cant even control it , ......

have a nice day

[Az]

As for Hizbullah: in what other parts of the border has Hizbulah carried out attacks against the IDF besides the Cheeba farms? The most i have heard off is anti-aircraft shells falling unto Israel that were fired up in the air by Hizbullah, as a ***-for tat act aftre Israeli air incursions into Southern Lebanon.

Errm, that "accident" a couple of days ago, when the road along the border was mined, and an Israeli border patrol was blown up, severly injuring 2 Israeli soldiers.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Azazel

Errm, that "accident" a couple of days ago, when the road along the border was mined, and an Israeli border patrol was blown up, severly injuring 2 Israeli soldiers.

hi ,

not to mention of all the houses that are empty now because hezzfucball shoots true the fence at the border each day , ......

and the UN just sits back in some lawnchairs a bit further reading newspapers , .......

strange how some people only complain when certain "species" get hit , .......

the only good terrorist is a death one

have a nice day