IF tommorow the Palestinian people peacably protested in the street+did so for month

[gsmoove23]

you realize that Israel is DOWNSTREAM,right?

Prior to 1967 Israel-Syria had an east-west border. Jordan was bordering Lake Tiberias, the National Water Carrier transferred water from the north of Israel to the south and coastal areas effecting the water table of the area, of the Jordan river basin, the level of Lake Tiberias. Plus, it diverted water from Jordan, which relied on THE Jordon quite heavily for its water. The diversion project was a JOINT arab project carried out in Syria.

If you're reffering to Syrian uses of the water, irrigation and drinking for the inhabitants of the Golan would be legal, major diversions of rivers would not under international law which Syria has promised to adhere to during peace discussions.

[Az]

don't bother Arrian.

[Az]

Prior to 1967 Israel-Syria had an east-west border. Jordan was bordering Lake Tiberias, the National Water Carrier transferred water from the north of Israel to the south and coastal areas effecting the water table of the area, of the Jordan river basin, the level of Lake Tiberias. Plus, it diverted water from Jordan, which relied on THE Jordon quite heavily for its water. The diversion project was a JOINT arab project carried out in Syria.

the water wasn't about to go to Jordan. It was about to go to Syria, in a JOINT arab project to screw Israel.

If you're reffering to Syrian uses of the water, irrigation and drinking for the inhabitants of the Golan would be legal, major diversions of rivers would not under international law which Syria has promised to adhere to during peace discussions.

what does this have to do with the military operations carried out by Israel to stop the water diversions in 67'?

[gsmoove23]

Originally posted by Azazel
The intensity of the conflict was much lower with the IRA. here, you had hundreds of dead (more than a thousand on the palestinian side) on both sides, with both sides sustaining massive civilian casualties. (although, ones are intentional and the others are not. However, it doesn't matter to the palestinians. )

Should it matter to the palestinians? How about the ones who aren't terrorists and would be 'accidental' casualties when added to the thousands of others who are accidental. Can you honestly ask THEM to make the distinction?

[Az]

are you a numbwit? That's what I said myself. Or is it your way to agree with me....

[gsmoove23]

Originally posted by Azazel

the water wasn't about to go to Jordan. It was about to go to Syria, in a JOINT arab project to screw Israel.

The project was a joint one (I'm sure Syria would have benefitted the most, though they also risked the most) and yes it was to screw Israel, in the context of the National Water Carrier project which screwed Israel's neighbours out of water. I don't aprove of either project, I just would like to avoid simplistic explanations of complex subjects.

Originally posted by Azazel
what does this have to do with the military operations carried out by Israel to stop the water diversions in 67'?

The post was in response to your 'downstream' response, why should I be talking about pre-1967 military operations? We're all way OT.

[gsmoove23]

Originally posted by Azazel
(although, ones are intentional and the others are not. However, it doesn't matter to the palestinians. )

If thats what you meant I truly apologize, I thought this statement was more accusatory. Perhaps we should tone down our current escalation.

[Ned]

GSmoove, I agree that to the extent that Israeli diversions affect Jordan or Syria, they probably need to be subject to international cooperation. Unilateral action, as we have seen, can lead to war.

[gsmoove23]

Well, one agreement is better then none.

[Az]

The post was in response to your 'downstream' response, why should I be talking about pre-1967 military operations? We're all way OT.

the downstream respons was in the pre 67' context. only in pre-67 borders, Israel was 'downstream' below the slopes of the golan heights.

another correction: Niether Jordan nor Syria had access to the waters of lake tiberias pre 67'.

[gsmoove23]

Syria had access to the waters, though Israel didn't recognize it, in the same way they had access to the East banks of the Jordan just south of Lake Tiberias. I just found this article that seems to be even-handed and told me a lot I didn't know about the Syrian-Israeli border. Tell me what you think.

http://www.mideastinsight.org/9_99/lineofjune67_9.99.html

[Az]

It had been drawn with water—water for the Jewish Home—very much on the minds of British boundary negotiators

not so even handed, huh? Takes the fact that the british were always pro-Israeli as a basic stance.

*continues reading*

[Az]

This clearly states that according to the armstice, the eastern shore of the lake would be demilitarized, i.e. not syrian, and the lake's water resources would be Israeli by default, as Israel controlled the other bank.

[GePap]

The probem Syria has with water is that it is dowstream from Turkey, which has control of the major water resources of this part of the ME, and since Turkey is using up huge amounts of water for its own, Syria will be in desperate water straits. The only state that in a fulls ense is NOT downstream is Turkey.

Also I will ignore Panag's statements completely. Statements like those add nothing of value to this discussion.

On to 500 posts!

[Az]

Also I will ignore Panag's statements completely. Statements like those add nothing of value to this discussion.

I agree.

*twilight zone music*

Niether do Cybergnu's.

The probem Syria has with water is that it is dowstream from Turkey, which has control of the major water resources of this part of the ME, and since Turkey is using up huge amounts of water for its own, Syria will be in desperate water straits. The only state that in a fulls ense is NOT downstream is Turkey.

tough. should have developed their water resourses wisely.
Israel has the same problem, But we import water from turkey, and start desalinization programs.