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The actions were totally irresponsible on the part of the Russian authorities. 
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What would you had done? Remember withdrawing from Chechnya wasn't an option.Originally posted by Ramo
The actions were totally irresponsible on the part of the Russian authorities.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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I didnt suggest it first because I didnt have a clue. However, you wanted to seem smart, so you racked your brains and came up with the only gas you could think of: tear gas. Problem is, you were wrong.Originally posted by Fez
I wondering did you or Marcus ever suggest it was this gas before? You are just wrong as I am until the Russians announced it. I was just following the opinion of a few experts.
You are never right.
Marcus go to hell... you know you are always wrong... you can't make up your damn mind...
I can't be wrong until I have made a statement. I didn't make a statement until I knew I was right.
Now since the Russians have announced it, I'm right and you're wrong.
This contradicts your statement that I am never right. Too bad Fez, wrong again.
'How many times must Fez be wrong, before he realizes he's wrong? The answer is blowing in the wind.'
Ned, the problem now, as someone else pointed out, is that the next time the terrorists will do something as terrible as this, they will bring either an antidote, or more realistically, they will bring gas masks. God knows how easy it is to get your hands on this stuff in Russia."Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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Well, toot toot, I, like all real Americans, don't give a damn about the blantant propaganda spouted by scumbag anarchist Islamic terrorist sympathizers.
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Well, I'd start with attempts at negotiation, perhaps be more inquisitive about the nature of this mystery gas, and just maybe cooperate with the hospitals.What would you had done?
Why wasn't it?Remember withdrawing from Chechnya wasn't an option.Last edited by Ramo; October 30, 2002, 20:15."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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That was being done. This was the result:Originally posted by Ramo
Well, I'd start with attempts at negotiation,
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...eater_raid_166The new demands were brought out of the theater just before midnight Friday by Anna Politkovskaya, a Russian journalist who is respected by Chechens for her reporting on the war and was called in by the rebels to mediate.
Politkovskaya said the gunmen had told here they were "going to wait only a little while" before they started killing hostages.
They already knew what the nature of the gas was. They deployed it.and perhaps being more inquisitive about the nature of this mystery gas.
It was an extremely unrealistic demand in the first place.Why wasn't it?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Interesing, I hadn't heard that.That was being done. This was the result:
I'm not sure how the Russian authorities could have bungled the situation so badly if there was no confusion over its identity.They already knew what the nature of the gas was. They deployed it.
Why?It was an extremely unrealistic demand in the first place."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Because people with moral fibre never negotitate with terrorists. The proper way to handle terrorists is to kill them. Capture a few to torture for information and then kill them and all they name.Comment
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And follow up with reprisals at a seven for one ratio.Comment
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Given the Russian government's actions (such as in Chechnya), I find it difficult to attribute any moral fiber to them.Because people with moral fibre never negotitate with terrorists.
And we all know people never tell lies when tortured.Capture a few to torture for information and then kill them and all they name.
Missed this gem.Well, toot toot, I, like all real Americans, don't give a damn about the blantant propaganda spouted by scumbag anarchist Islamic terrorist sympathizers.
I don't give a damn about propaganda coming from ****witted racist fascist non-Islamic terrorist sympathizers.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I would give them twenty minutes to surrender or I will start:
1) Launching a military operation consisting of hundreds of MiGs in precision strikes in Chechyna.
2) Order the building to be stormed in twenty minutes.
Lawrence, fine I concede... you wanted that? Yes I was wrong. But don´t make a big deal about... I assumed it was tear gas at first... but when casualities pilled up I started to suspect it was BZ gas, now it is this one I never heard of. However the Russians still did a fine rescue.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I believe they have injections to prevent lies from being said.And we all know people never tell lies when tortured.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I believe they have injections to prevent lies from being said.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Or I believe Hollywood too much...Originally posted by Ramo
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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It wasn't confusion about the nature of the gas that bungled the operation, it was an obsession with secrecy.Originally posted by Ramo
I'm not sure how the Russian authorities could have bungled the situation so badly if there was no confusion over its identity.
The government was not in a position to negotiate on that point. That left little bargaining room. I am not oppossed to negotiating with terrorists as long as room for negotiation exists. The US has done it before and will likely do it again in the future.Why?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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