Russian Forces Enter Theatre, End Hostage Situation

[axi]

Did you notice that it's all the American righties that support the actions of the Russians? Why so? There must be some motive behind this support, otherwise there would be no difference in POV with the Euros.

Is it because all Americans are basically impulsive cowboys (of the kill'em all type)?

Is it because they have grown up in an environment with little respect on human life (with all those guns and crime and the death penalty..)?

Is it because of their anti-terrorist frenzy?

Is it because their government is developping such illegal chemical weapons and is abstaining from the relative inernational treaties? Maybe they anticipate the use of such agents by the US, in some war or hostage situation?

To everybody here: Would you accept your government to do such a reckless and inconsiderate thing, if you had been a hostage?

[Lincoln]

It is very easy for us to criticize people who are facing a life and death decision without much time to act. Some on this forum were suggesting that we deal with hijackers with the use of non-lethal gas. This is one reason that idea is not practical. You cannot control the dossage or its effects on the elderly etc.. There simply is not time however in some instances to do that which is ideal. The "right wing" has nothing to do with this. The Russians tried to save lives with the means at their immediate disposal. I would expect my government to use the best methods available but I would also expect them not to sit back waiting for the ideal situation while the hostages are being killed and threatened with mass and immediate destruction with bombs.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by axi
To everybody here: Would you accept your government to do such a reckless and inconsiderate thing, if you had been a hostage?

It depends. If the hostage takers are just a bunch of criminals, and all they want is money. Probably not. The chances of a successful negotiation is high, and it is highly implausible that the criminals want to kill themselves to blow us up.

On the other hand, if these are crazed extremists who are demanding something impossible, with bombs everywhere and strap to themselves. Sure. There is virually no chance of a peaceful outcome, and the longer the situaton drags on, the worse it becomes.

Will you argree to an operation with only a 30% chance of success, when result of not doing it is certain death?

[Jaakko]

Hey, aren't we forgetting that the Russian authorities are NOT cooperating with the hospitals treating hostages with gas poisoning?
What possible excuse can there be for such behaviour for a supposedly democratic government?

[Urban Ranger]

They are not?

[Saint Marcus]

they still aren't...doctors and families of the victims are furious

[Jaakko]

They keep saying the gas is "classified", and that no information can be given to the doctors.

[Ned]

Waco is the closest thing we have had in the United States. While we certainly didn't intend to kill everybody, that is what happened. Why? Because we did not us gas.

The question is whether Putin and the other leaders knew the risks. They saw Waco and knew that there was a very good possibility that the terrorists would go down fighting and killing if they did not use gas. But did they know so many would die?

I suspect the truth will come out some day.

BTW, the 17 year old boy seems to have been vindicated.

[muxec]

When governed by Stalin Chechens were not able to do anything of this kind. Deportation of all Chechens to Siberia will solve this.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by axi
Did you notice that it's all the American righties that support the actions of the Russians? Why so? There must be some motive behind this support, otherwise there would be no difference in POV with the Euros.

Is it because all Americans are basically impulsive cowboys (of the kill'em all type)?

Is it because they have grown up in an environment with little respect on human life (with all those guns and crime and the death penalty..)?

Is it because of their anti-terrorist frenzy?

Is it because their government is developping such illegal chemical weapons and is abstaining from the relative inernational treaties? Maybe they anticipate the use of such agents by the US, in some war or hostage situation?

You are quite the paranoid loon, aren't you?

[Saint Marcus]

Waco is the closest thing we have had in the United States. While we certainly didn't intend to kill everybody, that is what happened. Why? Because we did not us gas.

you did use gas in Waco!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
you did use gas in Waco!

We didn't use the wierd gas the Russians did though.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You are quite the paranoid loon, aren't you?

What do you expect from leftiest loonies?

[axi]

Ok, so I'm the paranoid?

Then why doesn't ANY single person I've discussed this in Greece and any of the Euros in here say that it was ok to use gas? Why does it have to be you and your kind? Don't you see a dislocation here? Don't you recognise that the Americans are supporting the Russian authorities with too much of a nationalistic attitude? Why didn't you do the same with the Kursk case? Back then, all you had to say is that the Russians are incopetent and your navy would never have handled the case in such a way, etc...

Isn't this somewhat bigoted, or not?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by axi
Why didn't you do the same with the Kursk case?

I don't really remember what I said about the fate of the Kursk. Would you care to enlighten me while explaining me what this has to do with anything? I'd also like to know how UR counts as an American rightie.

Why don't we try this another way? Why don't you tell me why I should be up in arms about this the way you are?