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Heres a non CNN site for the confimration of Fentanyl. Fez, wrong again. 
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Yep, Fentanyl aerosol confirmed.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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told you so
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Told me what?No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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Nothing on Pravda yet. But of course that just confirms that the source is unreliable.
Does anyone know if there is an antidote for Fentanyl?"Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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I may be wrong... but this is even less bad than I was making out to be. BZ Gas is more dangerous than Fentanyl.Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
Heres a non CNN site for the confimration of Fentanyl. Fez, wrong again.
http://my.aol.com/news/news_story.ps...30155325280253
It only makes you look more stupid.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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How do I lookmore stupid? Because I'm right and you're wrong?"Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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Fez is always wrong
first tear gas
than BZ
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there is one.Does anyone know if there is an antidote for Fentanyl?Quod Me Nutrit Me DestruitComment
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If these guys had come into an American hospital comatose they'd have been administered the antidote as a matter of standard protocol. When the staff noticed that they awakened within a minute of being given the antidote they'd have alerted all hospitals in the vicinity to pool their supplies."I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!Comment
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I think I heard Putin had 85% of the population supporting his way to "deal with the situation". Did anyone heard about this ?"Just because you're paranoid doesnt mean there's not someone following me..."
"I shall return and I shall be billions"Comment
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I wondering did you or Marcus ever suggest it was this gas before? You are just wrong as I am until the Russians announced it. I was just following the opinion of a few experts.Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
How do I lookmore stupid? Because I'm right and you're wrong?
You are never right.
Marcus go to hell... you know you are always wrong... you can't make up your damn mind...For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.Originally posted by Pandemoniak
I think I heard Putin had 85% of the population supporting his way to "deal with the situation". Did anyone heard about this ?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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The antidote for Fentanyl is the same as the antidote for any opiod, narcan or naltrexone. All opiods work by binding encephlan recepors in the brain. Encephlans are naturally occuring polypeptides used as neurotransmitters at certain synapses, especially those in the spinal cord and brain stem which modulate the transmission of pain signals to the brain. Narcan competitively inhibits the binding of opiods to these receptors blocking the effect of the opiod."I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!Comment
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I think I was the first to report here that it was an anesthetic - I quoted a 17 year old hostage to that effect. I think the Germans and American doctors figured out that the boy was right and name the compound.
Saint Marcus, regarding Waco, I beleive they used tear gas. What they should have used, in hindsight, is the same gas as the Russians used. At least then some of the "hostages" would have lived.
The question is, what will governments do about using anesthetics in this fashion for the future? I suspect that governments will use them, but also learn from the mistakes of the Russians. They will provide adequate on-sight antidotes that will keep at least the hostages alive.
What are your views, Saint Marcu, Axi?http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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