Germany

[Bereta_Eder]

I'm not mourning for the loss of yours I'm happy.

[Adalbertus]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Does anyone here know the actual quote?

"Bush wants to distract attention from his domestic problems. That's a popular method. Even Hitler did that."

One has to wonder where the insult lies.

That's what the newspaper says. You can find the article here

Anders als oft angenommen wird, sei das Hauptmotiv für Bushs harte Haltung nicht die Erdölversorgung, sagte Däubler-Gmelin. Denn: "Die Amerikaner haben selber genug Öl." Der Grund für die Kriegsvorbereitungen sei vielmehr in der US-Innenpolitik zu suchen. Aufgrund der Wirtschaftskrise in den USA seien die Popularitätswerte des Präsidenten stark gesunken. Die Ministerin: "Bush will von seinen innenpolitischen Schwierigkeiten ablenken. Das ist eine beliebte Methode. Das hat auch Hitler schon gemacht."

Als daraufhin einige Zuhörer vernehmlich raunten, stellte die SPD-Abgeordnete klar: "Ich habe Bush nicht mit Hitler gleichgesetzt." Auch die britische Regierungschefin Maggie Thatcher habe 1982 einen Krieg um die Falkland-Inseln (Malvinas) geführt, um die Wahlchancen ihrer Tory-Partei zu verbessern.

Sorry, if I don't want to translate all this stuff. The next citation (when some of the audience started to murmur): "I didn't equate Bush to Hitler. The British minister president Maggie Thatcher also provoked the Falkland war to improve the chances in elections for her Tory party."

[Prometeus]

IMHO, Bush is the right man in the wrong situation...

Germans have all the rights to complain about how he acts, but not to compare him to Uncle Adolf. Uncle Adolf was not a Crazy Texan Cowboy.

The more time passes by, the less i like Bush. I feel like a bad aura around this man, and believe me when i say that. I failed few times.

[Adalbertus]

Just one thing please: Differentiate between
- Anti-Americanism
- Anti-Bush, and
- Anti-war.
These are very different things. I'd only equate Anti-America and Anti-Bush if Bush was elected by 99,99% of the votes. And this is a result I'd usually ascribe not to the population but to major fraud.

[Bereta_Eder]

It's not Bush. The unilateralists and the republicans (doh!) have taken an upper hand in a time period of unrest for the US.

They act the only way they know how.

They were never liked by Europe. And they act more because of the situation thus making Europe liking them less.

Remember that during Clinton's reign (and some trade wars aside) there was a US-EU "flirt" no problems.

[Ned]

Well it does seem clear that where once Germany supported the use of force to oust Saddam it opposes it now; the only difference between then and now is the party of the American president.

I believe this is why Republican members of Congress have called for retaliation if Schroeder is re-elected. Two can play this game.

[Kirnwaffen]

While the minister's remark was thoughtless, I don't view it as particularly insulting. She probably should have chosen Thatcher to begin with though.

Well it does seem clear that where once Germany supported the use of force to oust Saddam it opposes it now; the only difference between then and now is the party of the American president.

Ahem... Bush Sr. was also a Republican, was he not?

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Ned


BeBro, Germany is absolutely the very last nation on earth to complain about America's post war commitment to nationbuilding.

Have the people of Germany forgotten how America was there for the Geman people after WWII?

America is committed to both winning the war and winning the peace.

This isn´t about complaining, but the questions I asked have to be answered to "win the peace" (which I absolutely hope) how you said...

[private hudson]

Ned that's not exactly the entire story, the americans gave money to all of europe without clauses, except the UK. They insisted on us giving up the empire, and even now we owe huge sums of money on debts incurred during WWII that america still holds over us, and we pay interest on that sum. Sure you bailed out Europe don't get me wrong, but you did not do it entirely fairly.

On germany, that remark was stupid, but bush is not entirely innocent of being a dictator. When for example are those prisoners in camp xray to be charged? But he is not comparable to hitler in any way.

Besides that he's too damn tall

[Bereta_Eder]

who bush?

[private hudson]

He's the guy the americans didn't vote for, but somehow is their leader. You know George Dubya Bush the dopey one!

[Bereta_Eder]

yeah but is he that tall?

[private hudson]

Dunno I think he is, and Hitler was small anyway. So they don't look much alike

Kind of ironic really Germany's master race would consist of blonde haired, blue eyed tall athletic men from Germany. Hitler was small, brown haired, dunno what eyes, but from Austria.

Would have taken a brave person to point it out though

[Mr. President]

People from Austria and people from Germany are both German.

[Bereta_Eder]

he was also jewish and a pedophile but noone's perfect.