Any Christians out there?

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by loinburger
Yes, Jon, I know how to use the dictionary too. I wanted your definition, what it means to you.

Also, the questions "What is worthy of worship" and "Why is it worthy of worship" are far more important.

I think we could go into a long conversation on this

but the short answer is because God is perfect, in every way

that is why I worship him

Jon Miller

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I don't need to worship him

I want to

wouldn't you?

Jon Miller

He didn't ask why YOU needed to. He asked why god needed worship. It makes no sense for an all powerfull god to need to worship. Its plainly contradictory.

[JCG]

Yawn...there's always Pascal's Wager as a last resort, you know, for some people...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
so you can imagine no being worthy of worship?

that is why I am saying you are having issues with imagining

There is no point to worshipping, Jon. You do it out of habit.

There is no point to it. You've never met God, you don't know God exists, you have blind faith. You have blind faith in your God, hundreds of other religions have faith in their God(s).

Which is the true religion? Is there one?

No one can answer these questions.

But some people don't care and are so scared of life they need that security blanket of religion and nice warm thoughts, and they'll try to rationalize it to the point of brainwashing themselves.

Then the agnostics and atheists look on and chuckle to themselves and roll their eyes as the mormons bang on your door telling you to save yourself.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Zylka
Can anyone say Kaak?

Bill the Cat said it a lot. In fact a lot of cats make that sound. Just before spitting up a hairball.

[Dan Severn]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I know a girl who was known as Joy to the World

I will leave you to guess why

Jon Miller

I'd rather think about Joy.

[Asher]

Originally posted by JCG
Yawn...there's always Pascal's Wager as a last resort, you know, for some people...

Pascal's Wager is flawed in that there's only one true God if there is one anyway. You could spend all of your life worshipping a God only to find out the only true God is Ganesha and he just **** all over your Jesus statue.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I think we could go into a long conversation on this

Fine, I'd prefer a long conversation that might turn out to be enlightening to a bunch of conventional answers that gets me nowhere.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Ethelred


He didn't ask why YOU needed to. He asked why god needed worship. It makes no sense for an all powerfull god to need to worship. Its plainly contradictory.

I keep sayign that He doesn't need it

that is a nto a common christian idea and has been popularized lately by some good others

(I would reccomened Small Gods by Terry Pratchett BTW, it is arguably his best book and that means it is very very very good)

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by loinburger


Fine, I'd prefer a long conversation that might turn out to be enlightening to a bunch of conventional answers that gets me nowhere.

so would I, but I am going to sleep soon

Jon Miller
(and I get tired of being serious here also)

[JCG]

But "Ganesha" would have more mercy over you if you worship a general "God" or Jesus or something else than if you're an atheist....

Besides, there are also defences of Pascal's Wager, just have to look for them (when you're not lazy).

[loinburger]

Originally posted by JCG
Yawn...there's always Pascal's Wager as a last resort, you know, for some people...

Pascal's Wager only works if God is an idiot. "Hmm, this fellow doesn't really believe in me, but he says that he believes in me... Well, that's good enough for me, let him into heaven!" Belief isn't something that can just be turned on or off at will.

[Jon Miller]

I agree

Pascal's wager, while perhaps being logical

does not work (for reasons which loinburger expressed)

Jon Miller

[JCG]

Originally posted by loinburger

Pascal's Wager only works if God is an idiot. "Hmm, this fellow doesn't really believe in me, but he says that he believes in me... Well, that's good enough for me, let him into heaven!"

But you can use Pascal's wager as an addition to your own faith, obviously.

[Jon Miller]

well, for many possible gods

(And won't work for God either)

Jon Miller