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  • I understand perfectly that on some things the rules are enforced one way, while traffic in the opposite direction is waved on through.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • To answer the first post, yes, I am a Christian. But many of my views would be rejected by others who also call themselves Christian. I think that Galileo for example was a Christian even though he believed in the obvious reality of his observations. God is a spirit and it is not possible to know of his reality except by spiritual means. That is why I do not often enter debates with those who deny a spiritual realm. It is kind of like trying to communicate with someone when we are using two different communication channels. My christian views are prety much expressed in my book that is available here.

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      • I worship Odin
        CSPA

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        • Odin is dead. Thor is in charge now.
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • Why bother, Surt's just gonna burn down Valhalla anyway...
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            • Ragnarok isn't for a long while though.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • I am a Christian too

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                • Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  Odin is dead. Thor is in charge now.
                  I spoke to both of them this morning. Nothing has changed.
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                  • Enough with the threadjacking...
                    Keep on Civin'
                    RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                    • Originally posted by Gangerolf
                      I spoke to both of them this morning. Nothing has changed.
                      Heretic! I read about thier glories in a holy book put out each month.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • Nobody answered my quesion on Judas.
                        I wasn't being at all facetious.
                        So what do the Christians think about him ?

                        Did/does Judas get a bad deal?
                        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                        • Depends on whether you believe in predestination or free will, I spose. If predestination, then everybody who's evil gets a raw deal. If free will, then Judas may have been manipulated, but that's not a very good excuse.
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                          • Not necessarily. Not everyone perceived as evil plays any particular part in a bigger picture.
                            Kind of like Son of Sam, Charles Manson, etc.
                            I think for the most part Humans were given minds to make their own decisions, like whether to call someone a Tube Steak or not; but I also believe we're here for a particular purpose, with things meant for us to do.
                            Yeah, I have no firm basis for my opinion, but you know how Christian's are.
                            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                            "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                            • Originally posted by CyberShy
                              Fez: I will never believe or trust Christians.


                              you won't believe them on any topic?
                              You will never trust any christian in anything?

                              fanatic
                              No I am not a fanatic... but I decided that newsmax religious debates were enough for me and convinced me devout Christians are truely not people to talk to. I post at newsmax and the people there are so stupidly blind...
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • Originally posted by loinburger
                                Depends on whether you believe in predestination or free will, I spose. If predestination, then everybody who's evil gets a raw deal. If free will, then Judas may have been manipulated, but that's not a very good excuse.
                                You can't look at Judas, IMO, and believe he had free will. His betrayal of Jesus was part of the deal in order to fulfill Jesus's destiny, etc. It sucks to be damned for something you have no control over. That's why I find Calvinists particularly loopy.

                                Judas was a poor schmuck who was probably doing what he felt was right and got screwed for it (assuming the Biblical account is true, which I do not assume anyway).

                                Another example of why I find the God depicted in the Bible to be pretty rotten. It's actually a fairly insulting description of a supposedly omnipotent, benevolent being.

                                And notice how Kcck vanished after the firs post... DL indeed.
                                Tutto nel mondo è burla

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