Chrétien to step down

[Asher]

You know what -- I'm out. We've argued about the NEP here about a dozen times.

What it ends up being is the typical east vs west drivel over and over again.

People from the East essentially say "Oh come on, it wasn't that bad, suck it up!" and people from the West feeling insulted that the East was trying to belittle a very serious problem that shaped what Alberta is today.

blackice, Tingkai, & co won't change their mind and will probably still insist the NEP is a good thing. That's fine. I just keep telling myself that it's only natural that half of the people in the world are of below average intelligence.

Take care everyone.

[Tingkai]

Does this means that Asher's going to run away back to CG so that he can attack people behind their back?

Since you're back from your ban and you can defend yourself, let me start by saying that thread of yours over at CG was pathetic and one of the most childish things you have done here. If you want to criticize me, at least have the courtesy to do it where I will see it.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Does this means that Asher's going to run away back to CG so that he can attack people behind their back?

Since you're back from your ban and you can defend yourself, let me start by saying that thread of yours over at CG was pathetic and one of the most childish things you have done here. If you want to criticize me, at least have the courtesy to do it where I will see it.

You did know I was banned here, right? And you do know I would have said the exact same things to you if I was allowed to here as well?

Comon, it's not like I tried to hide it. I said I didn't care if he linked it.

But hey, you act like a friggin' moron and sometimes people mock you from afar. C'est la vie.

I still do chuckle when I think about someone, out of the blue, blaming The West for Trudeau doing martial law in Quebec. Were you high or something at the time, or just trolling? or both?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by blackice
MattHiggs:

Oh my God, I think I just remembered something. You are that guy that got the divorce aren't you? The one that hates women and is bitter and twisted.

notyoueither:

Bingo.

Blackice:

MattHiggs wrong guy but nice try, it is no wonder people do not like you. Very easy to see why.

Look they started the BS club of disinformation to make themselves look more important then they are. Flakes.

notyoueither:

Summary. No, I am not the **** you think I am. Lies too. Original.

Blackice:

For instance find one comment by me that I say I hate women...
Good luck that old ruse went out with the last flake.

notyoueither:

No blackice, no quotes hating women, to the contrary actually.

I called you on the lie and you admitted it was not true.
Now you come here and post the half truth and continue to claim I lied even though you know it was you and you admitted to it. You then go on with the "you hate Albertans" mantra which is a lie also. No I do not I have said that many times.

Flake and extremely bad trolling.

No blackice, no quotes hating women, to the contrary actually.

Only, your typing ability and social skills have led many to misinterpret you. I used to be symathetic. Used to be.

I have no time for people who have irrational hatreds for me and where I am from though. So, c ya.
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Try quoting the whole post. Nice try.

Why didn't you clear that up there then?

Bah.

You are the one who goes on, and on, and on, and on, an on... about your pet hates. Used to be I could see some possible explantion for it. You've been jobbed, and you are now an activist to help other people learn about other sides to the questions of gender equity.

But, then you start with the crap about how Alberta and Albertans are just deluded. No, the federal Liberals have never done anything that wasn't in our own best interest. We just don't know better.

I ask you if you know what it is that so many people in Alberta are pissed off about. You reward me with a rant. I say, OK. Here's the view from an Albertan who lived through it and paid attention. I pointed out just what ****ed us up, and I provided a link to a CP article that acknowledeged that high interest rates were bad for us too but that the NEP was what turned a mild recession into something much worse. [see the following post]

You threw that back in my face and off to the races you went.

Bah. Either your reading comprehension matches your typing skills (in which case you are as stupid as you express yourself) or you are truely twisted about a number of things. When that involves where I come from, I'm gonna call your sh!t on it. Get used to it.

[notyoueither]

Quoted from a Canadian Press item published by canoe.ca and linked to earlier.

Here's the link, again.

http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSTrudeauNews/01001_trudeau5-cp.html

But beware, Ralph Klein is quoted in it, so it must be evil.

The general conclusion of most economists, and not just in Alberta, is that the NEP "was unwise and didn't work and quite negative in its consequences," said Ted Chambers, of the Western Centre for Economic Research, based at the University of Alberta.

It didn't help that the early 1980s were also a time of sky-high interest rates that reached 20 per cent and inflation rates of up to 13 per cent. The poor economic conditions would plunge the entire country into a major recession in 1981-82.

Chambers suggested the general recession also contributed greatly to Alberta's misfortunes, and that Trudeau's government shouldn't have to shoulder all the blame.

However, Mansell maintained that if it wasn't for the NEP, Alberta would have experienced a mild recession instead of widespread misery.

/Edit. Mansell is...

Robert Mansell, head of the economics department at the University of Calgary

[Tingkai]

Re: Hi-o!

Originally posted by Asher
I think Loif was on to something. You both exhibit the telltale signs of jealousy. Whether you're truly jealous or not isn't known, but you sure do act like it.

What makes this more funny is that it comes after I responded to Loif. Jealous of Alberta? Like I said before, what's there to envy?

Originally posted by Asher
Like Tingkai's absolutely ridiculous troll about the West and martial law in Quebec

No doubt you see it that way since you have some strange inability to understand basic politics.

Originally posted by Asher
In particular I'm thinking of Tingkai's own contradiction-within-a-post he had several posts ago. He admits that Chretien doesn't need to worry about pissing off Albertans, and then he goes on to say that he doesn't like it when Albertans complain about that.
Who wouldn't complain about that? You contribute, by far, the most per capita to Canada. What do you get? A government which ignores you and a population which gives you the finger and calls you whiners whenever you ask what the hell is going on.

As they say in Hong Kong, Aye-ya.

Asher reminds me of a Discworld book where a bunch of philosopher are in a bar and fight breaks out. One of the philosophers says:

"All I was trying to do was illustrate a logical conundrum when I got punched. I just said that if Issac The Ephebian says All Ephebians are liars...

"See! There he goes again," Bob the Ephebian shouts. "He's saying all Ephebians are liars. I'm going to kill him."

Okay Asher, let me explain to it one more time. I know there is very little chance that you will understand this basic concept of politics, but I'll try it anyways.

If Alberta always votes conservative, then the Liberals have no politcal incentive to help that region. If the Liberals help, Alberta still votes conservative.

This, however, does not mean Alberta has no power. It does not mean that Alberta has no ability to influence federal policies. It does not mean that Alberta is being screwed by Easterners.

Albertans make a choice to always vote conservative. No one is forcing them to vote this way. They have to accept responsibility for the way they vote.

Besides, Alberta has plenty of influence when Conservative Federal governments are elected. But the chances of influencing federal policies are low because of what Albertans have done in the past, namely the creation of the Reform/CA/CRAP which has split the vote and allowed the Liberals to walk up the middle.

If the Reform/CA/CRAP did not exist, then it is highly possible that the Conservatives would be in power. Therefore, the Albertans who created Reform/CA/CRAP have had a gigantic influence on the Canadian political landscape.

Simple really. Understand? Probably not.

[notyoueither]

And as illustrated with numbers earlier, it ain't the voters in Western Canada that are the problem. Understand?

[blackice]

notyoueither you have trolled, misquoted, ignored, lied and generally became an idiot here. Congrats!

I have stated the facts honestly. People get tired of the NEP, trudeau 20 year-old, some loser from Alberta diatribe. Especially when it is full of delusion and misinformation yes.

I just presented the facts and the whole story not the disected propaganda from the vote seeking government of Alberta.

Sorry you two missed all that maybe stop trolling and start reading? Like for the last time I grew up in Alberta and Ontario during this time you keep missing that part too.


Plonk you were gone?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
You did know I was banned here, right? And you do know I would have said the exact same things to you if I was allowed to here as well?

This may surprise you, but I don't keep track on whether you have been banned.

And you miss the point. If you were banned then you should have waited until after ban had ended. The fact that you were banned does not justify your actions.

Originally posted by Asher
Comon, it's not like I tried to hide it.

You started a thread specifically designed to attack me on a website that I never visit. I call that hiding.

Originally posted by Asher
But hey, you act like a friggin' moron and sometimes people mock you from afar. C'est la vie.

Your immaturity is showing. Stop blaming other people for your own stupidity. Accept responsibility for your actions. That's what people do when they grow up.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by blackice
notyoueither you have trolled, misquoted, ignored, lied and generally became an idiot here. Congrats!

I have stated the facts honestly. People get tired of the NEP, trudeau 20 year-old, some loser from Alberta diatribe. Especially when it is full of delusion and misinformation yes.

People will judge what has been posted in this thread, and others for themselves.

But, you are amasing. Really you are.

Honest? Let me know when you begin, but then again I don't think I could accept your word for it.

[notyoueither]

So how many mistakes in facts is that in this thread, Tingkai?

[blackice]

If Alberta always votes conservative, then the Liberals have no politcal incentive to help that region. If the Liberals help, Alberta still votes conservative.

Actually the feds dump mega bucks into Alberta always have and continue to do so. Generally it is met with "they are trying to buy our vote" BS.

History shows that time and time again.

Your immaturity is showing. Stop blaming other people for your own stupidity. Accept responsibility for your actions. That's what people do when they grow up.

Good luck with that Asher how many people have to tell you that before it sinks in?

Oh Take care, thanks

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
So how many mistakes in facts is that in this thread, Tingkai?

What exactly are you trying to say.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tingkai


What exactly are you trying to say.

How many times have you spouted something off, and been proved to be wrong?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by blackice
Actually the feds dump mega bucks into Alberta always have and continue to do so. Generally it is met with "they are trying to buy our vote" BS.

You're full of sh!t, and tomorrow I'll dig up the references, unless you want to back up your bull sh!t in the mean time.